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From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker

Sysops: Mikael Fredriksson, Bob Nunn, Jim Smith, Ken Sutherland,

Ken Sutherland : good evening
Rusty Tucker in my dir.spml I've set date sort as default.
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Rusty Tucker <!-- #comment new for v5.7, the dir_list can be sorted. sort order is controlled by the config command, default is by name --> <!-- #config dir_sort="date" --> <!-- #if dir_sort IS "name" --> <!-- #config dir_sort="name" --> <!-- #else --> <!-- #if dir_sort IS "size" --> <!-- #config dir_sort="size" --> <!-- #else --> <!-- #config dir_sort="date" --> <!-- #endif --> <!-- #endif -->
Rusty Tucker in the headers I added:
Rusty Tucker <tr> <th width="24"></th> <th align=left><a href=<!-- #echo LOCATION-->?dir_sort=name>name</a></th> <th width="50" align=left><a href=<!-- #echo LOCATION-->?dir_sort=size>size</a></th> <th align=left><a href=<!-- #echo LOCATION-->?dir_sort=date>modified</a></th> </tr>
Rusty Tucker I like this time format a little better too..
Rusty Tucker <!-- #config timefmt="%b %d, %Y %I:%M %p" -->
Rusty Tucker it fits on the page better
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Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat pitiwill!
Bob Nunn : Good deal! Ought to help the systems a bit better organized.
Rusty Tucker yep, it helps in that Chat log folder too!
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Rusty Tucker c-ya pitiwill
Ken Sutherland : </b> care to fill me in ? >
Rusty Tucker <http://www.spiderisland.com/sysop%20 files/>
Rusty Tucker directory listings are sortable
Rusty Tucker in b26 ( coming real soon! )
Bob Nunn : We can choose and set our dir.spml to reflect how we want it for all pages served then.
Ken Sutherland : great
Rusty Tucker Using my example, you can set the sort order within a URL too
Rusty Tucker < http://www.spiderisland.com/sysop%20 files/?dir_sort=size >
Rusty Tucker I just test the parameter, and set the config accordingly.
Rusty Tucker The URL setting is "sticky" when you dig into folders as well.
Rusty Tucker The FILEHREF adds the ?dir_sort=size parameter if one is passed in the original listing
Rusty Tucker click on the "name" header, then check the updated folder URLs in the list
Rusty Tucker Anyone else got a topic for today?
Bob Nunn : That's great. If I want my image folders served by alpha and my files folders served by date I can specify in the url link on the page!
Ken Sutherland : RT, great work
Rusty Tucker I'm trying to decide if I should put sorting in the Topics area too..
Ken Sutherland : How about threaded conferences, only asking
Rusty Tucker you mean sorted by subject?
Ken Sutherland : and resort to clump common thread messages
Rusty Tucker That would probably be a bit too much for 5.7, but something to consider for the next.
Mikael Fredriksson : RT isn't it time that we do the TF web speed test?
Ken Sutherland : big thanks
Rusty Tucker yep, we should do it this week if possible
Rusty Tucker I just need to build a non debug version and go
Rusty Tucker ya got 2 G3's ready to go?
Mikael Fredriksson : give me all info on how to setup and to how to test
Mikael Fredriksson : we have them at work ( apple center)
Rusty Tucker I'll write some instructions up
Rusty Tucker 100 base T too, right?
Mikael Fredriksson : ok ;)
Mikael Fredriksson : yep
Rusty Tucker the hits per second test is basically, stripped down setup, and measure how quickly the server can repeatedly send a small HTML file.
Rusty Tucker No Plugins, virtual hosting, etc.
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Bob Nunn : Wouldn't TF do that all from cache RT. Should make it lightning fast.
Rusty Tucker exactly!
Mikael Fredriksson : any standard web pages to test with?
Rusty Tucker I usually use the Spider Island homepage.
Rusty Tucker its about 6k
Rusty Tucker I mean 10 k
Mikael Fredriksson : can you make Stuffit archive of all files to test with?
Rusty Tucker yes
Rusty Tucker I'll make a special server folder w/ web space
Mikael Fredriksson : ok
Mikael Fredriksson : we have some G3 300 MHz in stock to test
Rusty Tucker That setup yielded 200 hps on 2 9500's on a 10 base T.
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Rusty Tucker pretty much it was limited by bandwidth
Mikael Fredriksson : 1 or 2 clients and a server?
Rusty Tucker yes, it was using a "OT Virtual Client" that I've modified.
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Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Ken!
Rusty Tucker It runs at interrupt level and just makes requests and tosses replies as fast as it can.
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Rusty Tucker c-ya Ken Sutherland
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Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Ken!
Ken Sutherland : sorry, connection broke
Ken Sutherland : nope, I'm still here, you only id go
Bob Nunn : Where do you expect it to rate in comparison to NT and Apache?
Rusty Tucker The maximum, no TCP overhead, rate on a 100 base T, with a 10K file is 1200 connections per second.
Rusty Tucker I may have been using a smaller file in the last test.
Ken Sutherland : what I miss about speed <>
Rusty Tucker that's what logs are for ken :)
Ken Sutherland : ok boss
Rusty Tucker I'd expect a minimum of 4-600 connections per second with the new hardware.
Rusty Tucker does anyone remember the recent MacWorld results?
Bob Nunn : Can I ask a ? on a diff subject?
Rusty Tucker u bet
Bob Nunn : I was waiting for you to remind us of the MacWorld results now.
Rusty Tucker still trying to look them up.
Bob Nunn : Okay in the meanwhile. Can you conceive of a way to do a shopping cart via SPML for a simple store or would that be more a database thing.
Rusty Tucker yes, you'll need a database for that
Bob Nunn : I can see someone entering data in a form and sending the output to mail via spml. Just not clear on how one would package that up. Would think it would have some appeal.
Bob Nunn : Radio buttons to select on all items in a dir using the info for product description.
Rusty Tucker You should check out "WebCatalog" from pacific coast
Rusty Tucker they've got the whole shopping deal solved already
Bob Nunn : I have one and $1000 later? Looking for simple solutions to users who sell 1/2 dozen items from a web site for example
Mikael Fredriksson : http://macworld.zdnet.com/ns-search/pages_collection/september.98/Reviews.4461.html?NS-search-set=/35ec4/aaaa004oqec40f8&NS-doc-offset=0&
Rusty Tucker have WebCatalog?
Mikael Fredriksson : for Macworld's test of WebServers
Rusty Tucker I'm looking at < http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/article links/15.09.r.servers.infograph.gif>
Rusty Tucker at something is very wrong with it.
Bob Nunn : Yes and Web Merchant. Am using FM to do the same thing for a whole lot less. I am sure a small version could be done with forms and spml for those who don't care about secure sites and to buy and expensive package.
Ken Sutherland : Bob, ever heard of flamethrower
Rusty Tucker it lists MS IIS maxing out at 90k connections per day ( 1 per second! )
Rusty Tucker Web Star maxes at 10 K per day..
Bob Nunn : Not yet.
Ken Sutherland : 10k/day, jeez I get nearly that a day and my Mac hasn't even sweating
Bob Nunn : So if the tests come out as you expect you can advertise - Worlds Fastest Web Server and it runs on a Mac?
Rusty Tucker oops , sorry, I'm off by a factor of 10
Ken Sutherland : and it ONLY runs on a MAC
Rusty Tucker its still wrong tho...
Bob Nunn : And if you get enough press Bill will buy you out and cut it down to match NT. Meanwhile you can be off in the Pacific sailing your Yacht to your island?
Rusty Tucker no, the Macworld test is just screwed
Ken Sutherland : Optimize it for iMac,a bundle with serial card maybe, off the shelf vroom vroom server
Mikael Fredriksson : test the url at the bottom of the gif..
Rusty Tucker I did, they don't list September testing
Bob Nunn : Have to make sure the results will be oranges to oranges though as much as you can. The combo of G3's and TF with 100BaseT ought to be exciting.
Rusty Tucker well time for lunch, tune into the web site for info about b26
Ken Sutherland : what about hard drives for cache access, Adaptec 2940 UW would be nice
Rusty Tucker see ya'll

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