Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, September 16, 1997 11 AM PDT.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker
From Highlander: Ken Sutherland, Jonathan Paisley
Sysops: mikael fredriksson, Martijn Dekker, Juan Jose Tarud , Bob Nunn, Michael Davidson, Jim S., Robert Hall, John Agapitos
Rusty Tucker: Hello Mikael!
mikael fredriksson: Hi!
Rusty Tucker: I saw Jonathan wandering about...
Rusty Tucker: looks like he's offline now
Rusty Tucker: So S. Jobs is the "interim" CEO now..
mikael fredriksson: I'm listening to the chat with Amelio on Computalk http://www.audionet.com/shows/computalk/computalk.ram
Rusty Tucker: That's good they've made that official at least. I wonder if the full time job is not too far behind?
Rusty Tucker: I think I read the transcript of that, or is it new?
mikael fredriksson: Me too ....
Rusty Tucker: Hi Jonathan!
Jonathan Paisley: hi
mikael fredriksson: Is from Sundays Computalk
mikael fredriksson: Hi!
Rusty Tucker: Any news about the mail PI?
Jonathan Paisley: I've fixed a bug or two with downloading base64 encoded files
Jonathan Paisley: [in fact I'm surprised it work at all]
mikael fredriksson: :)
Rusty Tucker: Those globals get you?
Jonathan Paisley: the error page is now a proper file rather than a redirection to the error.spml file [as suggested by rusty]
Jonathan Paisley: which globals?
Rusty Tucker: ! :)
mikael fredriksson: Time for beta testing soon? ;-)
Jonathan Paisley: Yes, I hope so, but I would really like to get the Apple Double support fixed before that stage, and it's a bit of a nightmare to get one's head around it :)
Rusty Tucker: We had a bug in binhex because there were some globals or statics that missed getting scooped up into the binhex class.
Jonathan Paisley: Although I reckon I'll probably just release it beta before then anyway
Rusty Tucker: Does any one know if the MS mail clients support UUENCODE?
Jonathan Paisley: heh, always a problem. Classes are great for encapsulating algorithms that are global-heavy. The problem with the base64 was actually to do with it trying to read line feeds as base64 encoded characters and also that it would abort if a NULL character was produced in the output
Jonathan Paisley: If anyone's interested I have a Plugin for TF Web Server that lets you serve Mac Binary encoded files (smaller than Binhex) by adding .bin to the end of a filename
Martijn Dekker: Hi all
Rusty Tucker: Hi Martijn
Jonathan Paisley: hi
Martijn Dekker: I've just been invited to join here, so here I am :-)
Martijn Dekker: what's going on?
mikael fredriksson: I've found him lurking outside the room... :)
Martijn Dekker: just reading the conferences..
Rusty Tucker: This is one of some weekly support chats we hold.
Jonathan Paisley: Anyone interested in FTP for TeleFinder?
Rusty Tucker: I guess you're not on the tf-announce mailing list :)
Rusty Tucker: I am!
Martijn Dekker: ah, i see... so I happened to drop in at the right time :)
Martijn Dekker: no
Martijn Dekker: how do I get on it?
Rusty Tucker: email to macjordomo@spiderisland.com
Martijn Dekker: suggestion: post those announcements in the newsgroup alt.bbs.TeleFinder also..
Rusty Tucker: SUBSCRIBE tf-announce your name
Martijn Dekker: k, subscribing right now
Rusty Tucker: For some reason netcom doesn't have that on their server :(
Martijn Dekker: you can post using www.dejanews.com
Martijn Dekker: or I can forward it for you if you wish..
Rusty Tucker: Oh? I've read using deja, but not posted
Rusty Tucker: Speaking of PI's
Rusty Tucker: I have parts of SPML ported to a WSAPI plug-in. No e-mail or conferencing yet.
Martijn Dekker: they have a posting feature... you have to confirm by e-mail or register with them to post w/o conformation
Ken Sutherland: evening all
Rusty Tucker: Sort of a special favor to Chris, who's stuck on a W* server right now.
Jonathan Paisley: Rusty: Please export some services in that WSAPI Plugin that may be used by other services...
Martijn Dekker: hi ken
Rusty Tucker: I need to learn more about that. Is that the same as PIXO?
Rusty Tucker: ( another thing I cannot find docs on )
Rusty Tucker: I'd really like to figure a way to handle PI output as SPML.
Jonathan Paisley: Is what the same as PIXO (what's PIXO?)
Rusty Tucker: Exactly Jon!
Rusty Tucker: PIXO is supposed to be a way that PI's can process each other's output?
Jonathan Paisley: That's the idea with services; you define a function that other Plugin may call. Therefore, another Plugin could call the SPML Plugin with some data that the SPML plug would then parse and either send on to the client or perhaps simply pass back
Rusty Tucker: hmm, that might be the ticket then
Martijn Dekker: hmm, there are so many in this room that they don't fit on one line :)
Juan Jose Tarud: I need help
Martijn Dekker: hi Juan
Rusty Tucker: use "list of users in this room" from the chat menu
Jonathan Paisley: Tricky thing is you have to reverse-code the SPML parser, and keep some kind of state mechanism between calls to this particular function. This is because the other Plugin gives data to the SPML, not the SPML Plugin getting data from some undisclosed source...
Juan Jose Tarud: I have a PC with the modem in the COM 5 and TF just gets to COM 4
Martijn Dekker: thanks rusty
Juan Jose Tarud: is that real
Rusty Tucker: You need to put the modem on Com 1-4
Rusty Tucker: at least for TeleFinder, Win 3.1 supports up to 4 only.
Juan Jose Tarud: so my customer need to do that?
Juan Jose Tarud: this is on win 95
Rusty Tucker: yes, just assign the modem to COM 4
Jonathan Paisley: TF/User is a win 3.1 program
Juan Jose Tarud: ok I'll try it
Martijn Dekker: how simple the mac is, with just one Modem Port ;)
Jonathan Paisley: TWO!
Juan Jose Tarud: We should be on-line all day long for this support :-)
Jonathan Paisley: The beloved printer port!
Martijn Dekker: and one Printer Port of course
Juan Jose Tarud: I know but you cannot have only MAC users to survive
Michael Davidson: But then you HAVE to add serial ports.
Rusty Tucker: Jon, I think with service processing, you'd need to pass all the data at once.
Martijn Dekker: of course, Juan
Michael Davidson: I can Juan!
Rusty Tucker: Unless there's a way to open a service "session"?
Martijn Dekker: btw, sorry if I ask a Frequently Asked Question, but is there any news yet about anyone taking over TF?
Juan Jose Tarud: not me here in Chile
Jonathan Paisley: Rusty: the client Plugin could call a service that allocates a session (probably just allocates some class)
Michael Davidson: O, that's a different story then Juan, I feel for you....:)
Rusty Tucker: No new news yet Martijn. Other than what you already posted to alt.bbs.TeleFinder
Jonathan Paisley: Rusty: then call services that act on that session [eg "Here's some more data for you to handle"]
Rusty Tucker: that would work
Martijn Dekker: k rusty... thanks... I'm hoping for the best, I'd hate to see TF abandoned..
Michael Davidson: there's an alt.bbs.TeleFinder???? Since when?
Rusty Tucker: You can find it via dejanews
Martijn Dekker: Michael: months... I don't know how many ;)
Bob Nunn: Unfortunately all news servers don't carry it.
Jonathan Paisley: Rusty: once the client is finished it calls another service to clean up. All three (and possibly more in the future) could be through a dispatched function)
Rusty Tucker: Netcom doesn't seem to know about it
Martijn Dekker: ask your ISP to carry it if they don't, or find it via dejanews
Martijn Dekker: unfortunately it suffers from spam... so it needs more legitimate posters
Martijn Dekker: rusty -- any way to get Netcom to carry it?
Rusty Tucker: we should really PIPE TeleFinder.questions from TF Announce into it
Rusty Tucker: i mean TFNET
Martijn Dekker: I agree
Michael Davidson: help me...I'll ask my ISP to carry it but how do I specifically get it from dejanews.
Michael Davidson: yes rusty, good idea
Martijn Dekker: go to http://www.dejanews.com/ and go to Browse Groups
Martijn Dekker: at some point or another you can type the newsgroup name
Rusty Tucker: http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml
Rusty Tucker: then just type in TeleFinder
Michael Davidson: okay, but am I not able to SUCK it into the bbs?
Rusty Tucker: you can do that, if you're ISP carries it, mine doesn't
Martijn Dekker: I book marked the full DejaNews URL for alt.bbs.TeleFinder... here it is (it's long, use copy & paste)
Martijn Dekker: http://xp5.dejanews.com/rn_print.xp?search=word&svcclass=dncurrent&threaded=1&maxhits=25&showsort=date&agesign=1&ageweight=3&days=90&ST=RN&group=alt.bbs.TeleFinder
Jonathan Paisley: or you can find a nice public NNTP server that carries it
Michael Davidson: ok, I'll try to get my ISP to carry it. But it is a little obscure for most users.
Rusty Tucker: what address might we try first Jon? :)
Michael Davidson: Thanks Martijn, I got it in a text clipping.
Jonathan Paisley: I'm not sure about that one... Hang on and I'll see if I can find my list
Martijn Dekker: no probs :)
Michael Davidson: Rusty, you definitely should put in at least TeleFinder.announce in alt.bbs.TeleFinder
Jonathan Paisley: Just had a quick look at alt.bbs.TeleFinder: it seems a bit overrun by spam
Jonathan Paisley: I mean, seriously
Martijn Dekker: I, for one, volunteer to post all the tf-announce list posts into the newsgroup..
Rusty Tucker: Yep, but I don't want the sex ads from alt.bbs.TeleFinder in TeleFinder.announce.
Martijn Dekker: yes, it suffers from spam, I try to cancel most of them (DejaNews doesn't seem to notice)..
Jonathan Paisley: my point exactly
Michael Davidson: overrun the spam with legitimate info
Martijn Dekker: it should be a one-way gate, because of the spam..
Rusty Tucker: Yep, I would like the info posted here reflected on alt.bbs.TeleFinder
Michael Davidson: sex ads in alt.bbs.TeleFinder, have they no manners or shame?
Martijn Dekker: no, they don't
Martijn Dekker: they just post in all groups without reading them, I think they use some posting bot
Rusty Tucker: Jim should be able to help out on that one! ( exporting to NNTP )
Michael Davidson: Hey, rusty, about the problems I called you about. I don't know why it started working, but I haven't had any problems since. THANKS
Martijn Dekker: I forge cancels for those sex ads but DejaNews doesn't seem to honor them
Michael Davidson: Jim, have you found/fixed the problem with lollipop posting yet?
Jim S.: As far as I know it work.
Ken Sutherland: Jim, could you update lollipop to take wild card entries
John Agapitos: Good morning all
Martijn Dekker: good evening, John ;-)
Rusty Tucker: Hi John!
Jim S.: I posted a message and check AltaVista (like Deja) and it was there and some replies.
Martijn Dekker: (and greetings from the Netherlands)
Jim S.: Jon: to do that would be a redesign
Robert Hall: ?
Jim S.: If it were possible
Rusty Tucker: No protocol today Robert, just blast away!
Robert Hall: I just got here so i don't know if this is off the topic, but Rusty, is there a way you could implement the launching of apples scripts based on the contents of a users forward file in their pub folder, similar to the way a Unix box could execute a shell script from a .forward file.
Robert Hall: I am trying to implement something similar to notify mail for our local (internal) users and would like to be able to have a script launched by mail server when it finds a certain token or code in a users forward file....
Robert Hall: ie. forward contents: users@domain.com,APPLE SCRIPT:FINGERUSER
Jonathan Paisley: sounds like that may introduce some security considerations
Rusty Tucker: You want finger notify mainly?
Rusty Tucker: script is OK as long as the admin controls the scripts
Rusty Tucker: If you let the users make their own scripts, good nite!
Robert Hall: mainly, but i was thinking it might be helpful for remote administration: ie, I could send mail to certain account for daily use, example: I send mail to my backup account which has a script that launches retrospect and does a backup. Really I would want them restricted of course to only allow sysop level users
Robert Hall: maybe just placing a restriction on scripts , whereby only sysop level (edit user access) could execute scripts from their forward file other than finger notify.
Rusty Tucker: Robert, I'd do the remote admin via web pages and plug-ins
Robert Hall: true....probably just making things complicated, but how about the notify finger function? doesn't even have to be a script really.
Jonathan Paisley: [still checking for public servers with TeleFinder.bbs.announce--haven't found one yet!]
Rusty Tucker: Unfortunately, the email system doesn't have the "hooks" to implement that right now.
Robert Hall: bummer....oh well.....maybe a future addition.... ;)
Jonathan Paisley: Sorry, I'm not sure I know what notify finger is. Could someone explain?
Martijn Dekker: Jonathan -- the name is alt.bbs.TeleFinder
mikael fredriksson: maybe in TF 5.7?
Rusty Tucker: There is a hack of the Finger protocol to give you notification of the arrival of email
Bob Nunn: Rusty couldn't you have it set up like a form that output to spml and run the script from a web page?
Jonathan Paisley: yah, that's what I meant heh. [alt.bbs.TeleFinder] <--- in my clipboard
Michael Davidson: just send the email to backup account, then watch that folder with an applescript, then when backup account folder has mail in it, launch applescript, NO?
Rusty Tucker: if you don't have Eudora polling frequently, you can just wait for the Finger.
Robert Hall: I have my own personal ISP account forward setup like this:
Ken Sutherland: o|o
Jonathan Paisley: how does this hack work with finger then?
Martijn Dekker: ok :-)
Rusty Tucker: You have a modified Finger server running on your system
Jonathan Paisley: the server system? or each client
Robert Hall: \user,"| finger nm_userUSER@IP.ADDRESS","| mail user@domain.com < pagerfile"
Rusty Tucker: Each client runs a Finger server
Rusty Tucker: When it gets Fingered, it says "You've got mail!"
Robert Hall: what that does, is whenever i receive mail, it notifies my computer at home if its own, which then launches emailer (using notifymail) and gets my mail, the last command mails a predefined file in my root shell account to my alphanumeric pager, so even if I'm not at home I know to check my mail when i get a chance since something is waiting for me.
Jonathan Paisley: ok. I could probably write an app that would periodically check user's mail folders for new mail items and then finger a particular IP address (this would have to be specified I assume) with the relevant details...
Rusty Tucker: Yep, that would do it.
Jonathan Paisley: And it wouldn't really take that much processor time to do, I shouldn't think
Robert Hall: yes, that's the trick, notifymail actually watches my ot/ppp connect so that every time i reconnect to my ISP, it uploads a new forward file with my current (dynamically changing) ip
Michael Davidson: That's the ticket Jonathan
Rusty Tucker: Or we could create some sort of PI interface for Mail server that would call PI's at mail delivery time.
Jonathan Paisley: yes, that's true
Ken Sutherland: boy is this sounding complicated, whatever happened to just logging on to check if you had mail (those were the days)
Michael Davidson: Does anyone know how difficult (or how or even IF) an ISP can set STMP mail to try to connect with an account (in this case a dialup account with a specific IP #) at specific times ONLY. Or must the STMP server try to send whenever it wants to and is not controllable in this way?
Robert Hall: that would be the problem, in getting the users current ip that you want to finger, if its a static (which in my case is what I'm looking for) its no problem, but for dynamically changing dial up users it would be a pain.
Rusty Tucker: Paging is the more useful end of it IMHO
Jonathan Paisley: yup
Rusty Tucker: If you're on the net, you jut let Eudora get you're mail.
Robert Hall: ok.....I give up....hehe
Rusty Tucker: When you're offline its nice to know if you should bother connecting.
Rusty Tucker: Course the notifier needs some rules too.
Rusty Tucker: brb = Be Right Back
Michael Davidson: Anymore, you get so much spam, who wants to be reminded that you have spam waiting in your email account
Rusty Tucker: Or mailing list stuff either.
Robert Hall: The reason I was looking for the feature is to more automate our work flow, we have customers sending us files to RIP and print all day long, and currently we just have to constantly check for mail throughout the day.....
mikael fredriksson: Or get the mail using the mail CGI...
Jonathan Paisley: QUESTION: Anyone have any suggestions for features to be put into an FTP server for TeleFinder?
Michael Davidson: It would be best if you could restrict the notifys to only those addresses in a given list.
Jonathan Paisley: Robert: Why not just let your mail client check for mail every 5-10 minutes? And play a nice sound when mail comes in
Robert Hall: YES!!!! Have the ftp tie in to the user managers user list and privileges!
Rusty Tucker: I'd like to see the file areas and mu mailbox as drives when I connect.
Jonathan Paisley: assuming you have FTP
Bob Nunn: I agree John. Also a way to automatically import the mail paths
Jonathan Paisley: Robert: this I have already done
Jonathan Paisley: rusty: The mailbox isn't currently available, but the Web Space folder is. Should I just make the mailbox available instead?
Robert Hall: Jonathan: I have no problem with that, but our "workers" have a hard time keeping the computer on for more than 5 minutes, let alone running an email program in the background, "I thought I locked up so i hit the power button..." is a common thing to be heard in the office....hehe
Rusty Tucker: I'd like to see it have a cool name.
Michael Davidson: :)
Jonathan Paisley: suggestions for a cool name?
Rusty Tucker: and a bitchin about box
Jonathan Paisley: Cool names are of course the way to go :)
Michael Davidson: TFFTP is a name
Rusty Tucker: too close to TFTP
Michael Davidson: or FTPTF
Robert Hall: How about "Netpresenz Killer"
mikael fredriksson: hmmm a mail CGI and a FTP server on the same time it can«t be possible! ;-)
Jonathan Paisley: 'bitchin about box' is already in progress :) It also has a cool list (a bit like TF mail server's) of currently connected users and what they're up to (and a progress meter for uploads and downloads)
Jonathan Paisley: don't forget the NNTP server for TeleFinder
Rusty Tucker: Hmm, ye-ha, why not the full mail folder.
Robert Hall: and do the about box so it has a picture of your about box biting the corners off of Netpresenz about box---ala mike Tyson style
Rusty Tucker: That way if more stuff gets added to it, you don't need to update the FTP server.
Bob Nunn: Can't think of a good reason not too. Why be traditional.
Jonathan Paisley: ok then, [makes it easier; I don't have to go find the Web Space folder. heh]
Rusty Tucker: or pub!
Rusty Tucker: It would be nice to for users to be able to make pub a subsite
Robert Hall: what is the current development status for this plug in, ie when will be seeing a beta to try out?
Rusty Tucker: So that you could treat ~username as a virtual path to pub
Jonathan Paisley: rusty: 'pub a subsite' In what sense?
Jonathan Paisley: so ftp://ftp.mydomain.com/~username/ would be the user's pub folder?
Rusty Tucker: Say I've got an account on your server, and I want to make some data public for download
mikael fredriksson: will it support different domains to different /pub/ ?
Jonathan Paisley: mikael: how do you mean [examples are the way to go!]
Rusty Tucker: or ftp://ftp.mydomain.com/~username/pub/ would be OK for Anonymous access.
Rusty Tucker: but ftp://ftp.mydomain.com/~username/ would be denied for Anonymous access.
mikael fredriksson: ftp.trifolium.se/pub/ or ftp.macexchange.se/pub/
Jonathan Paisley: ok, I see what you mean. It'd be far easier to implement to just make /~username/ be the pub folder. And when the user logs on they get an item in the root directory that looks like /User Name/
Jonathan Paisley: mikael: Unfortunately that's not possible without true IP multi homing
Rusty Tucker: ( there's not a HOST header to work with like there is in HTTP )
Robert Hall: ot 1.3 is supposed to support true multi homing
mikael fredriksson: Ok wait for OT1.3 then...
Michael Davidson: Guys, I have to go in a couple of minutes and I'll be needing to talk to my ISP admin this afternoon, so I need to ask my question again now. Any help would be appreciated. Here goes
Michael Davidson: Does anyone know how difficult (or how or even IF) an ISP can set STMP mail to try to connect with an account (in this case a dialup account with a specific IP #) at specific times ONLY. Or must the STMP server try to send whenever it wants to and is not controllable in this way?
mikael fredriksson: I think that there is a command to send to a STMP server to get it to send mail on hold
Michael Davidson: I want to get mail from an STMP account every 2 hours on the hour, and only stay online with the STMP server for as short a time as possible. Is this possible
Rusty Tucker: FTP- should definitely work with Netscape Gold publishing features.
Michael Davidson: can I send this command using TF's STMP gateway, mikael?
Rusty Tucker: Mikael, point me at some info if you find it.
Jonathan Paisley: rusty: I think it will. I have Netscape gold on my PC so I'll test that out. BBEdit 4 also supports FTP publishing, so I'll test that too
Rusty Tucker: from apple:Steve Jobs Named Interim CEO
Rusty Tucker:
mikael fredriksson: I think that command is used in the new STMP/POP3 server from CE software, we are looking for a server to place at clients that use ISDN to connect to internet
Michael Davidson: The command to get STMP to send mail that is on hold would be excellent if I had a way to send that specific command.
Rusty Tucker: We could add it to Mail Server, if is doc'd somewhere.
Michael Davidson: This would be a godsend to us non-dedicated sysops!
Rusty Tucker: < http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1985.html>
Rusty Tucker: STMP Service Extension for Remote Message Queue Starting. J. De
Winter. August 1996. (Format: TXT=14815 bytes)
Rusty Tucker: That sounds close!
Bob Nunn: Do you guys know that I can drag and drop to my FTP Rumpus 1.1 demo from my Netscape 3.02 desktop?
Michael Davidson: It would definitely be worth adding to mail server if we can find it. And if most STMP servers can understand it
Robert Hall: wonder if the latest version of sendmail supports it......
Michael Davidson: Anybody know what CE is doing to get it to work for most clients?
Jonathan Paisley: gotta run! See ya later. Email me (Jonathan_paisley@highlander.net.uk) with suggestions for the FTP server and Mail Plugin.
Rusty Tucker: Use telnet to connect to your ISPs mailserver
Michael Davidson: Ok, thanks Jonathan
Michael Davidson: ok Rusty, then what
Rusty Tucker: Enter EHLO your.domain
Ken Sutherland: FYI Highlander is going to run a chat session on Highlander next Saturday, details to follow
Michael Davidson: you do mean HELO, correct
Rusty Tucker: If is replies with ETRN on a line, your in business
Robert Hall: my ISP SMPT server doesn't allow telnet connections
Rusty Tucker: nope EHLO is the new HELO
mikael fredriksson: Will be there as we are UK+1h here in Sweden
Michael Davidson: That tells me that it supports the command that I need Rusty??
Rusty Tucker: It won't know that you're telnet , telnet to the STMP port
Robert Hall: duh....forgot....what's the STMP port #
Rusty Tucker: Then type ETRN yourmailserver.domain
Rusty Tucker: and it should tell you if it has messages
John Agapitos: yeh rusty why is it that you are not running oat on spider island??
Rusty Tucker: port 25
Robert Hall: thanks
Rusty Tucker: I will , I will!
Michael Davidson: THANKS RUSTY, I'll see what I can do. What if I need STMP gate to send a specific command to get the waiting mail
Bob Nunn: He doesn't like people whispering to his server? ;-)
John Agapitos: when??
John Agapitos: maybe then you will see why it would be a fantastic idea to let oat into the find menu in TF user
Robert Hall: yep it works, said queuing for domain enabled.
Rusty Tucker: I just need the final release, and to figure out which of the OAT features to use. I want to add the Find page to the web site for sure.
Michael Davidson: Or will the above conditions you set forth above be enough to get STMP gate to work with the STMP server that holds mail till I send the command
John Agapitos: and the TF user =side
Rusty Tucker: Cool, lemme see about sending that command when we open a mail session.
Robert Hall: and this was ESTMP Sendmail 8.8.6/8.6.12 version
mikael fredriksson: This is what i found at CE software about their STMP/POP3 server RFC 821 Simple Mail Transport Protocol (STMP)
RFC 822 Internet Mail Form (addressing)
RFC 1288 Finger Access Protocol
RFC 1460 Post Office Protocol version 3 (POP3)
RFC 1651 STMP Service Extensions (ESTMP)
RFC 1985 Remote Mail Checking Protocol
RFC 1521 Mime Part I
RFC 1522 Mime Part II
Michael Davidson: Thanks Mikael
mikael fredriksson: I think that it has to be the RFC 1985 Remote Mail Checking Protocol
John Agapitos: Ken or Jon, should mail server folder path in usermanager be the filtered one or the normal mail server??
Rusty Tucker: Yep - that's it
Michael Davidson: Me too, BYB
Rusty Tucker: Robert already tested it!
mikael fredriksson: Rusty do you think that we can get support for this as client and as a server?
Ken Sutherland: filtered
Ken Sutherland: if you use that feature
Bob Nunn: Rusty, I hope you or someone will do some example pages on using the new variables. I learn best by copying others. ;-)
Rusty Tucker: Yes, I think we can add RFC 1985 support.
Rusty Tucker: Bob, did you see the test samples?
Ken Sutherland: why not get Dan to do the pages, he bugged you for em!
Rusty Tucker: there ya go
Bob Nunn: Nope ??????
John Agapitos: I'd love to stay but its 5 30 am here and I'm dozing off. is there another meeting in 6 hours??
Michael Davidson: so if I find out if my ISP's STMP server supports RFC 1985, you will modify STMP gate to use it. This would be the greatest thing for non-dedicated sysops since TFNET.
Ken Sutherland: bye all ,catch u later
Rusty Tucker: There is a "set" folder in the B2 sea
Rusty Tucker: yep back at 6
Michael Davidson: And would probably take a large load off TFNET. We non-dedicated don't have any good means for providing email. This is basic to us
Rusty Tucker: http:www.spiderisland/samples/set/
Robert Hall: just tested another ISP using ESTMP Sendmail 8.8.5/8.8.5 and it works also.
John Agapitos: how many hours away is that please
mikael fredriksson: Any plans to add support for the same name at different domains on a TeleFinder server?
Robert Hall: replied with: 250 Queuing for node DOMAIN.COM started
Rusty Tucker: You can add multiple domains to TeleFinder's local host domains list.
Michael Davidson: excellent Robert. I wonder if most STMP servers are up to date as the ones you've tested.
Rusty Tucker: if you add d1.macexchange.se
John Agapitos: Rusty did you mean 6 hours away or 6 pm your time?? if latter then how many hours away please
Rusty Tucker: and d2.macexchange.se
Rusty Tucker: you can get mail addressed to sysop@ d1.macexchange.se or sysop@ d2.macexchange.se
Rusty Tucker: 5.5 hrs away
John Agapitos: thanks bye
Robert Hall: you can test yours too, just telnet to it on port 25 (thanks rusty) If your using NCSA's Telnet, you'll have to edit the terminal sessions and add one with port 25, it wants to use port 23 by default, that's what was confusing me.
Rusty Tucker: 6 pm local time
John Agapitos: bye all
mikael fredriksson: Ok I mean like anders.andresson@macexchange.se and anders.andresson@trifolium.se and they use TF as their STMP/POP3 server
Rusty Tucker: bye
Rusty Tucker: yes, that's OK as long as both are in MS's local hosts list.
mikael fredriksson: and they are not the same person
Rusty Tucker: OH!
mikael fredriksson: (Eudora is adding this to the new EIMS 2.0)
Rusty Tucker: The namespace is global, since all names are in User Manager
Robert Hall: ? Does anyone have any information on setting up hosts file for Mac TCP/IP, a friend of mine is trying to set up an intranet and using the standard Unix bind format, he's having problems. Anyone know of a web page with that info, I searched Apples tech info library to no avail.
Michael Davidson: Again, Rusty, so if I find out if my ISP's STMP server supports RFC 1985, you will modify STMP gate to support RFC 1985. ?
Rusty Tucker: Yes, I will add support for 1985 in mail server
Michael Davidson: Thank you VERY much.
Rusty Tucker: when it begins a session, it will ask for mail delivery to the hosts in the local host list
Rusty Tucker: Time for lunch! Any last Q's before we wrap it up?
Rusty Tucker: Good! See you tonite!
Bob Nunn: Yes I did and I remember thinking that perhaps someone would do a more practical example
Michael Davidson: Thanks mikael and Rusty for all the info.
Robert Hall: my time just ran out...hehe
mikael fredriksson: Nope Bye and have a nice lunch!
Jim S.: CU
Bob Nunn: Us poor non-programmers don't always understand the value. Catch you on the next chat - send me the file. Bye for now!
September 12,1997
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