TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11 AM PDT.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker
Sysops: Jim DeHaven, Bob Nunn, Gary Clarke, Daniel O'Leary,
Donald McHose,
Rusty Tucker hola!
Jim DeHaven : geez--pretty empy Rusty
Jim DeHaven : empty
Jim DeHaven : Rusty--is there a way to customize the
registration box?
Rusty Tucker hi - Airborne would charge $135 to ship, guess it
will go by UPS:)
Jim DeHaven : eeeeeek
Jim DeHaven : yes
Jim DeHaven : I could buy a brand new one
Rusty Tucker not the TeleFinder Registration box, but the web
registration can be customized
Jim DeHaven : can you constrain things so that they can only
auto register from the web then?
Jim DeHaven : and not via the BBS sign up?
Jim DeHaven : I need them to put in their student ID
numbers
Jim DeHaven : so that I can pretend to verify that only
students are registering
Jim DeHaven : so that they don't register every college kid
in the country for free chat rooms
Bob Nunn joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Bob!
Jim DeHaven : hi Bob
Bob Nunn : Hello
Donald McHose joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Donald!
Jim DeHaven : Rusty are you receiving me? is there a way that
I can register new members from the web only and not through the
BBS?
Jim DeHaven : or must BBS auto register be enabled to use the
web registration form
Rusty Tucker Yes, by turning off the BBS registration
Rusty Tucker no, they are independent
Jim DeHaven : OK--cool
Jim DeHaven : that solves a problem
Jim DeHaven : look I have to vent
Jim DeHaven : we have 2 subnets at our school--10.120.0.0 and
10.130 etc.
Jim DeHaven : all the computers were screwed up on 10.130 and
all on 10.120 worked
Jim DeHaven : I explained this to our "MIS director"
Jim DeHaven : she proceeded to work on overheating of hubs,
configuring Netscape on clients --everything except what I told
her
Jim DeHaven : the problem went away all at once
Jim DeHaven : and she felt that her 5 or 6 separate solutions
on the same number of groups of machines coincidentally worked
Jim DeHaven : well the friggin p[roblem is back
tonight
Gary Clarke joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Gary Clarke!
Jim DeHaven : naturally because she doesn't know why or how
she fixed it in the 1st place
Jim DeHaven : OK-- I'M DONE
Jim DeHaven : sorry
Jim DeHaven : of course I would be happy to rant some more if
no one has anything to say
Rusty Tucker the problem is probably in the routers
configuration
Jim DeHaven : why does Macintosh speech pronounce routers as
"rooters"
Rusty Tucker either that, or maybe its because there are Macs
on the net :)
Donald McHose : Believe me I UNDERSTAND ;-)~ going through a
problem with our MIS who believes we have a line problem and I think
its probably router related due to errors registering on the TSL
unit.
Bob Nunn : Type in rowters the spell check ll catch it and it
sounds better.
Rusty Tucker maybe you've got a Canadian voice selected.
Jim DeHaven : hah hah
Bob Nunn : rauters?
Rusty Tucker Has it started snowing up there yet JD?
Jim DeHaven : just a light glaze of ice on the lake
Gary Clarke : RT. When you get time could you please change
my name logon from: Gary Clarke to Gary Clarke, ta
Rusty Tucker sure will do right now
Gary Clarke : Thanks.
Rusty Tucker next time you login
Bob Nunn : My Power Computing refused to power up yesterday.
Took it all apart since I figure the power supply was at fault. Got
my tester out.
Bob Nunn : My wife suggested that it might be the battery.
Guess what....
Jim DeHaven : uh
Jim DeHaven : it was the battery?
Bob Nunn : Yep.
Rusty Tucker I've got a 6100 that crashes ( car crash sound )
on start up too
Jim DeHaven : maybe that is what is wrong with our
network
Bob Nunn : Got the fans cleaned out while I was at it. Wasn't
a total loss.
Jim DeHaven : car crash = bad memory
Bob Nunn : Reseat the SIMMs
Rusty Tucker tried swapping it, but still the car crash
Jim DeHaven : did you pull out the SIMMs one by one?
Rusty Tucker bad board or connectors?
Rusty Tucker hmm, might try that again
Rusty Tucker I'll take them all out and try
Bob Nunn : The aluminum or whatever oxidizes. Slide em back
and forth while you are seating them.
Rusty Tucker Sounds like fun when you've got the "Victoria"
voice on.
Jim DeHaven : this is the sound with the breaking glass at
the end?--that is the sound you mean?
Rusty Tucker right, breaking glass followed by air bag
inflating
Rusty Tucker deflating too
Rusty Tucker its a pretty accurate sound :)
Bob Nunn : The only time I have ever heard that beside memory
is when someone had the SCSI chain fouled up. Like not plugged in
good.
Jim DeHaven : SCSI chain I thought was a plunk plunk
plunk
Jim DeHaven : like someone playing a log
Jim DeHaven : I mean why do they have to do all this subtle
stuff
Rusty Tucker exactly
Bob Nunn : Like someone striking a tire with a baseball
bat.
Jim DeHaven : can't they announce "your SCSI chain is
broke"
Jim DeHaven : or your SCSI chain is broke, eh" in Canada?
Rusty Tucker they could, its just a sound resource in ROM
Gary Clarke : RT. You would be pleased to know that the
server has been up (no crashes) for over 2 weeks, when I was away.
Perhaps I should stay away. Also, did you ever test the plugins from
BIAP, namely 'Counter and the PI monitor'. Are they worth using?
Rusty Tucker I've got a copy of the car crash as a 'sn'
file
Rusty Tucker I didn't try counter, since TeleFinder has
counters in SPML
Gary Clarke : Good, I use SPML, much faster!
Rusty Tucker The monitor one has a shutdown' problem, same as
chat did.
Daniel O'Leary joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Daniel!
Daniel O'Leary : Am here.
Rusty Tucker plus, its not a true measurement of CPU time, it
s a measurement of transfer time
Donald McHose : bout time!
Jim DeHaven : let me tell you about transfer time
Bob Nunn : You think that guy would right better utilities
for us.
Jim DeHaven : After installing our new Microsoft proxy
Daniel O'Leary : ?????
Jim DeHaven : file transfer times are 50-% of what they used
to be
Rusty Tucker BIAP - DO
Jim DeHaven : now that's what I call progress
Jim DeHaven : excuse me
Jim DeHaven : the transfer rates
Bob Nunn : Ever see the dancing directories?
Daniel O'Leary : RT BIAP is a pig.
Jim DeHaven : are 50% of what they were
Jim DeHaven : the times are 2x as long
Jim DeHaven : Daniel this was all for your benefit
Rusty Tucker at least my math is correct then :)
Daniel O'Leary : It consumes too much of system resources for
what its function.
Jim DeHaven : but in my initial excitement, the sarcasm was
lost
Bob Nunn : If you are going to be sarcastic I am going to
have to change your voice from Victoria to something else. :-)
Jim DeHaven : DO they have a "Judge Judy"?
Donald McHose : How about NT 5 being about 18 megs of code in
the last beta run. There is some unhappy people right now from what I
understand wishing for the days of clean code ;-)
Daniel O'Leary : You guys have lost me...
Rusty Tucker got be on time DO
Daniel O'Leary : Yes there is a Judge Judy on the tube
here.
Bob Nunn : They have to make it sufficiently complex so they
can give out new certifications.
Daniel O'Leary : OH, MS Bashing are we?
Jim DeHaven : yes but they need a Judge Judy voice in speech
manager
Rusty Tucker Agnes is OK
Daniel O'Leary : MS Sux....
Jim DeHaven : yes Dan--my MS topic for tonight is MS proxy
server v2.0
Rusty Tucker I just put JD on Agnes, its a little sarcastic
sounding
Jim DeHaven : we are in week 3 of the installation
process
Donald McHose : Oh I see another page of want adds in the
Charlotte obscurer for NT network certified people. Big$$$ here
abouts.
Daniel O'Leary : Now you are Agnes RT....
Rusty Tucker sit up straight Dan!
Rusty Tucker see ?
Daniel O'Leary : hahahjahahahahah
Daniel O'Leary : An old school marm.
Rusty Tucker but BN saying "Slide em back and forth while you
are seating them." as Victoria is the best
Daniel O'Leary : hahahaha3
Rusty Tucker ok -- seriously now
Bob Nunn : ;-)
Rusty Tucker a bit for the record that came up talking with
Jim D this PM
Rusty Tucker
TeleFinder 1474/tcp TeleFinder TeleFinder 1474/udp TeleFinder
Jim DeHaven : I have sent our NT Goddess the information
already
Rusty Tucker That's where you can find TeleFinder's "official"
TCP slot in the RFCs for Network Assigned numbers.
Jim DeHaven : Earlier this week she told me to stop wasting
her time with my questions
Daniel O'Leary : Impeach her and get a real network OS in
place for your backbone.
Bob Nunn : Tire Tool in the parking lot time....
Rusty Tucker ohhh..
Jim DeHaven : She who has had the network down for 3
weeks
Bob Nunn : Sometimes you just have to explain things in terms
people can understand.
Jim DeHaven : Like **I** amn inconveniencing her?????
Jim DeHaven : she who plugged a parallel printer into the Mac
SCSI port and wondered why it didn't work?
Rusty Tucker Any way, its an official Internet RFC, and should
help in disputes with your net admins
Donald McHose : We have to get yours and ours together! maybe
they will cancel each other out!
Daniel O'Leary : That is the was with mircoserfs...
Daniel O'Leary : hahaha
Jim DeHaven : Are they like antimatter Don?
Jim DeHaven : twould be nice
Bob Nunn : Tie their legs together and throw them over a
clothes line.
Jim DeHaven : yeaaaausss
Donald McHose : Good one.
Daniel O'Leary : Better yet give them a national audience and
a USB scanner.
Jim DeHaven : If they designed my house, every outlet would
have a different voltage
Bob Nunn : Listened to a presentation from AT&T this morning
on web solutions for our company. FrontPage and NT Server. Looks like
a plan to me. Got to be a better deal they have this securebuy logo
deal....
Daniel O'Leary : What?!?
Jim DeHaven : FrontPage sucks enormously
Bob Nunn : Ever swipe a FrontPage generated page and then
clean it up?
Daniel O'Leary : Anybody want a copy of BackOrifice?
Jim DeHaven : it produces more non standard html per square
meter of paper than...
Daniel O'Leary : Than my youngest son.
Rusty Tucker Didn't I just hear that MS won't allow use of FP
extensions on their servers?
Daniel O'Leary : or a cat on the keyboard.
Jim DeHaven : exactly what I was going to say
Rusty Tucker Something about security concerns
Daniel O'Leary : hahahaha
Bob Nunn : My wife and daughter use in a week?
Daniel O'Leary : M$ does not understand security.
Bob Nunn : What is an FP ext?
Daniel O'Leary : Period.
Daniel O'Leary : RT, my speech just broke.
Rusty Tucker Front Page extensions, an SPML sort of thing
Bob Nunn : They were set up so that I would have to send an
email before my sight would go live.
Daniel O'Leary : it is now uttering garbage.
Jim DeHaven : Rusty--can you tell me where you read that?
Jim DeHaven : I would love to email that to our MIS
person
Rusty Tucker may not be a reliable source. slashdot.org
Jim DeHaven : she is totally paranoid about security
Daniel O'Leary : Email them a copy of "Saran Wrap"
instead.
Daniel O'Leary : hehe
Jim DeHaven : I would love to have her scared that front page
was insecure
Rusty Tucker have chain
Rusty Tucker will yank
Daniel O'Leary : it "wraps" a copy of a program that breaks
WindHOZE machines.
Bob Nunn : Go up on the 2600 newsgroups and brag about how
your sight has NT on it and it is impossible to break into.
Jim DeHaven : exactamundo
Jim DeHaven : hah hah hah
Daniel O'Leary : hehehehehehe
Jim DeHaven : fantastic idea bob
Daniel O'Leary : Send "veggie" a challenge at
cultdeadcow.com.
Bob Nunn : Make sure you leave your MIS director email
address.
Daniel O'Leary : or is that your mis-director...
Rusty Tucker better yet, forge the mail as from her :) ( not
really recommended, darn it )
Daniel O'Leary : hehehe
Bob Nunn : RT you think FM Pro will improve with the next
releases...
Daniel O'Leary : send it thru an "anonymous remailer"
Rusty Tucker have no idea really
Jim DeHaven : well it is supposedly going to be OBDC
compliant--is that the right acronym?
Bob Nunn : Thought perhaps you might have seen where their
reorg is working etc. Haven't heard much lately but they were talking
about some improvements in OBDC compliancy
Jim DeHaven : Of course our idiots are using ACCESSS to
deliver our student records
Jim DeHaven : excuse me
Rusty Tucker that means that you can use ODBC drivers to talk
to it instead of Apple Events
Jim DeHaven : ACCASS
Jim DeHaven : spelling error dan
Jim DeHaven : yes Rusty
Daniel O'Leary : Wonder how many records get ALTERED by
hacks.
Rusty Tucker You can make an ODBC driver to talk to
tab-delimited text, if you catch the meaning
Daniel O'Leary : M$Excuse JD.
Jim DeHaven : well those evil hackers are everywhere
Rusty Tucker err, "crackers" thanks
Bob Nunn : I think I was better off with Lasso and the older
version. I think the trouble may be the activity is increasing.
Daniel O'Leary : It is an EXCUSE for a RDB.
Jim DeHaven : speaking of ODBC
Daniel O'Leary : grin.
Rusty Tucker hacking is GOOD
Daniel O'Leary : You bet.
Rusty Tucker cracking is BAD
Jim DeHaven : understood
Jim DeHaven : sounds like an anti drug commercial
Daniel O'Leary : Yep... at least that is the defacto ruling
on the terms.
Jim DeHaven : coke is good
Jim DeHaven : cocaine is bad
Bob Nunn : I need to know more about EDI is there a site that
someone could recommend.
Rusty Tucker and BEER RULEZ!
Daniel O'Leary : Electronic data interchange?
Daniel O'Leary : ...document....
Rusty Tucker hey, its been fun, but I gotta run
Gary Clarke : Anyone. I need a FileMaker password finder.
I've tried all the usual ones from 'Jackal' but they are not working.
I am running 8.1 with FM 3 and 4. Any clues?
Bob Nunn : Yep they bring this up as the best way for us to
receive orders.
Rusty Tucker any last q's?
Jim DeHaven : well at least you showed up this year
Jim DeHaven : this week
Donald McHose : Any thing up your sleeve soon for TF?
Jim DeHaven : my self image has improved
Rusty Tucker we'll work on your actual looks next week ;)
Daniel O'Leary : hehe.
Rusty Tucker gotta release DM!
Daniel O'Leary : Anyone running TF on an Imac yet?
Jim DeHaven : I am getting a mohawk
Rusty Tucker get a GIF up then!
Daniel O'Leary : Are you looking for pix RT?
Jim DeHaven : Is it real or is it photoshop?
Donald McHose : OH....poleeese!~
Daniel O'Leary : I have a cheezy movie of my brother and
I.
Rusty Tucker I signed up to Win (Imac) on the radio here
Rusty Tucker They're giving away 3 per day
Daniel O'Leary : Good luck... they sold out in minutes
here.
Bob Nunn : I signed up on the apple site. Probably got a good
chance, huh...
Jim DeHaven : I signed up to win a years supply of
floppies
Rusty Tucker :)
Bob Nunn : I already get them I have my friends bring me the
AOL mailings.
Rusty Tucker Maybe we should get some GIFs of ourselves to
liven up the chat site.
Rusty Tucker ( he means a years worth for Imac )
Donald McHose : luck to ya ! and by all I better get back to
work before some geek wonders about the California activity. See
ya
Donald McHose left the chat.
Rusty Tucker c-ya Donald McHose
Jim DeHaven : it would be nice if we could send them to each
other **during ** the chat
Bob Nunn : I sometimes miss the old video chats. Would be
okay... I am slow you know....
Rusty Tucker yep, get my T1 back and a copy of Whitepine
server....
Rusty Tucker oh well.
Bob Nunn : Lots of Good Press and the 5.7 release???
Rusty Tucker maybe !
Rusty Tucker Will see you all Tuesday
Bob Nunn : Hey if Apple Stock can come back that much,, who
knows.
Jim DeHaven : bye
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