Text of TeleFinder Chat from Thursday, July 16, 1998 6 PM PDT.
In attendance:
From SpiderIsland: Rusty Tucker
Sysops: Jim Smith, Donald McHose, Gary Clarke, Jim DeHaven
Rusty Tucker hola!
Rusty Tucker DM!
Jim Smith joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Jim!
Jim Smith : Hi
Rusty Tucker yo ho
Donald McHose : Hello ;-)
Rusty Tucker Gary Clarke from Aus. may join us this
p.m....
Jim Smith : RT: I got a call, my BBS, from someone in
Burnsville MN looking around, about 3 calls
Jim Smith : It was Poliac Research
Rusty Tucker what's that?
Gary Clarke joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Gary Clarke!
Gary Clarke left the chat.
Rusty Tucker c-ya Gary Clarke
Donald McHose : RT: Tried my new virtual domain
www.southport-maritime.org not to good ;-(
Jim Smith : Phone book indicates a System consult
Rusty Tucker Cool, sell him a system! :)
Rusty Tucker is the domain working yet?
Rusty Tucker Gary's faxing me an article about web mail from
Time mag. pretty cool
Donald McHose : Well I am not sure . It pulls up but instead
of homepage it goes /and sends our TCP address
Donald McHose : That gives a not found here response from the
browser.
Gary Clarke joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Gary Clarke!
Rusty Tucker seems like the URL in the virtual host setup is
wrong.
Rusty Tucker I get redirected to
"http://www.southport-maritime.org/207.232.201.198"
Rusty Tucker just put www.southport-maritime.org in the host
field
Rusty Tucker and /a_folder_name in the URL part
Donald McHose : I'll give it a check in the a.m. but I
believe that is how it is set up(folder) /Southport
Donald McHose : If it is I'll give you a shout after I
play
Rusty Tucker maybe there is another setting that's
conflicting?
Rusty Tucker Hi Gary, I got the article!
Donald McHose : from the domain server end?
Gary Clarke : Good. It's interesting reading. PS. Your fax ID
is showing the old number!
Rusty Tucker !
Rusty Tucker DM - no, there is another "URL mappings" setting
in TF, you don't use those with Virt hosts.
Donald McHose : O.K. let me sit down with the manual and then
give you a shout if I still can't make sense out of it.
Rusty Tucker In Virt hosts, put the
"www.southport-maritime.org" in Host domain
Donald McHose : Friday
Rusty Tucker and "/folder" in location
Rusty Tucker I won't be in tomorrow :(
Donald McHose : oh. O.K.
Gary Clarke : Rusty, is it possible to run a chat session in
a browser, is anyone doing this?
Donald McHose : I'll be sure to copy this then and thanx
Rusty Tucker yep BIAP chat is a Chat Plugin for the web
server.
Gary Clarke : Thanks, will try it out. Cost?
Donald McHose : Warning..BIAP does not do explorer..the rooms
do not pull up.
Donald McHose : Netscape works well however
Donald McHose : Have tried on PC and on Mac
Rusty Tucker ? www.biap.com
Gary Clarke : Hi Don, do you know why it doesn't work with
Explorer?
Rusty Tucker comes from Chuck Shotton, the guy who did
WebStar/Mac HTTP
Rusty Tucker WebStar
Donald McHose : I have not pursued it since I gave it a try
last month...other things in the fire.
Rusty Tucker It's Java, so must be something to do with that.
I think that may be fixed?
Donald McHose : I still have it running..a beta version and
will give chuck a shout about the problem soon
Donald McHose : It probably is a Java thing.
Donald McHose : Yeah like Rusty says ;-)
Gary Clarke : Thanks both
Donald McHose : I'll check on it tomorrow
Donald McHose : it is fast enough on a slow 601/110
server
Donald McHose : about that article you got ...?
Donald McHose : what's the jest?
Rusty Tucker it about "Web Mail" services.. no mention of Maui
Mail tho :)
Rusty Tucker Hotmail, Yahoo, Mailcity....
Rusty Tucker They pretty much get it
Gary Clarke : We need to get Jonathan (Ken) to improve the
mail plugin to keep copies of mail sent and attachment sending!
Gary Clarke : Hotmail does this. I've been informed this is
running on MS Exchange Servers.
Rusty Tucker ha! :)
Rusty Tucker Microsoft wishes. Its running on UNIX.
Gary Clarke : Thanks Rusty, now we know!
Rusty Tucker I'm sure they'll finally get it ported to WinNT,
but for now they need UNIX
Donald McHose : They ( Jon & Ken ) could do that on a
server that was also running OAT probably.
Rusty Tucker www.hotmail.com :
Rusty Tucker Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:26:19 GMT Server:
Apache/1.2.1 Last-Modified: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:17:10 GMT ETag:
"ba-1d69-359f3686" Content-Length: 7529 Accept-Ranges: bytes
Connection: close Content-Type: text/html
Donald McHose : BRB gots to pick up the kid..
Rusty Tucker Even the homepage web server is Apache :)
Rusty Tucker Probably a P120 running Linux ... haha
Gary Clarke : Rusty you are too quick! Guys, I can't stress
enough how much we value browser mail. It enables our journalists,
sales people etc. all over the world to check their mail. Simplicity
at its best. Just needs the extra features like Hotmail!
Rusty Tucker I wish that Jon and Ken were here tonight....
Jim DeHaven joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Jim!
Rusty Tucker I'll e-mail them a copy of the log
Gary Clarke : ME too!
Rusty Tucker Web Mail is critical for me while away from the
office.
Gary Clarke : Thanks
Rusty Tucker It means that I can grab my mail from any PC with
a browser.
Jim DeHaven : provided that it is not running Internet
explorer 4.0
Rusty Tucker And I can leave it on the server so that Eudora
keeps a copy for me later too.
Gary Clarke : Fixed in 1.03b
Jim DeHaven : oh--good!!!!
Jim DeHaven : that means much time saved explaining the work
around
Rusty Tucker JD - are you're users up on the 4.0b2 TeleFinder
Win client?
Jim DeHaven : I am the only one
Jim DeHaven : I have not yet distributed it
Jim DeHaven : because we are at the end of summer school
Rusty Tucker Does it work for you?
Rusty Tucker I see
Jim DeHaven : and the real crunch will not come until
fall
Jim DeHaven : so far it does
Rusty Tucker It fixes a problem with using AOL's Winsock.
Jim DeHaven : which means about a total of 10 hours or so
Jim DeHaven : yes it does
Jim DeHaven : I was delighted at that
Jim DeHaven : every time I don't have to make excuses, using
the Mac and your server looks better
Rusty Tucker AOL's Winsock is 32 bit only, and since 4.0 is 32
it works now! Yay!
Gary Clarke : Rusty, any chance of adding a comment box in
Server User Manager for storing info about a person eg. Dept.,
Magazine they work for etc.?
Jim DeHaven : What I don't understand is--why couldn't the
AOL people have said that--surely they must have had some idea--oh
well
Rusty Tucker true
Jim DeHaven : here is what I would really like
Donald McHose : I have seen no problems either except for the
D&D....AOL's Winsock compliance will be a big help I am sure for a #
of users
Jim DeHaven : I would like the user to be able to chooses
their access group when they sign on
Jim DeHaven : from a list of access groups that I make
available to them
Jim DeHaven : in a pop up menu or something
Rusty Tucker hmm,.. I'll take ADMIN every time :)
Rusty Tucker we could do something in the web sign up to
handle that.
Jim DeHaven : I am trying to figure out how to automate the
registration process
Jim DeHaven : for about 300 people
Jim DeHaven : that would be wonderful
Rusty Tucker tab delimited text
Rusty Tucker are they in a data base?
Jim DeHaven : no
Rusty Tucker do you have the names in a file?
Jim DeHaven : because only a subset of our students take the
Internet courses
Jim DeHaven : no I don't
Jim DeHaven : our registrar can't provide this
Donald McHose : its a pain...but you can do it with shared
access group resources..that is what we have done.
Rusty Tucker how were you thinking about automating it?
Jim DeHaven : but tell me about the database--because I hope
to put a second server online in September
Jim DeHaven : by automating it I only meant
Gary Clarke : RE: User Manager. When you have a lot of users,
you don't always remember where they are from, since you can already
store phone numbers, we were hoping you could have a comment (info)
box. Is this a big deal to do?
Jim DeHaven : to have the students themselves sign on
Jim DeHaven : and select the user group they will be in
Jim DeHaven : based on the course they are in
Rusty Tucker From a DB you can usually export selected fields
to a tab delimited text file. The TeleFinder docs tell you what
should be where.
Jim DeHaven : inn the user manager file?
Jim DeHaven : because the plan is to have a second server
Rusty Tucker Them you can "Import" the file to create the
records in batch
Jim DeHaven : students.dyc.edu
Rusty Tucker "Second Server" is music to my ears :)
Jim DeHaven : which will be the location of the student web
pages
Jim DeHaven : that is **my** plan
Jim DeHaven : it is not the plan of other folks--but of
course last year the distance learning server was only my plan
Jim DeHaven : so I expect I will get this
Rusty Tucker :) - loving it!
Jim DeHaven : ditto
Donald McHose : A second server would solve that problem all
together. They would just sign on using UM PI
Jim DeHaven : Donald--the second server has a different
purpose
Jim DeHaven : it is unrestricted
Jim DeHaven : a student commons
Jim DeHaven : the first server
Jim DeHaven : the one right now
Rusty Tucker Have you got any enterprising C++ hackers over
there?
Jim DeHaven : has to have some measure of security and
limited access
Jim DeHaven : hah hah hah
Jim DeHaven : they think **I** am a hacker
Rusty Tucker If so, they could rig up a custom "register"
plugin.
Donald McHose : I read ya loud-n clear ha ha
Jim DeHaven : because I can do stuff like set the margins on
a word processing document
Rusty Tucker OOPS, that wont' work :)
Jim DeHaven : well rusty--the plan is that I learn Java this
summer
Jim DeHaven : and I already know C pretty well
Jim DeHaven : problem is
Jim DeHaven : summer is slipping away
Jim DeHaven : and I am busy doing atomic porbityals
Jim DeHaven : orbitals
Rusty Tucker Must be one of them "liberal arts" colleges
:)
Jim DeHaven : for my Internet chem. course
Donald McHose : Love that shell game JD
Jim DeHaven : well these are pretty nice drawings Don
Jim DeHaven : including some neat QuickTime VR's
Jim DeHaven : a benzene ring with extended pi orbitals for
example
Jim DeHaven : did you all see the demo of the iMac vs. the
pentium 400 MHz?
Jim DeHaven : presumably you did
Donald McHose : NO!!
Rusty Tucker cool!. Nope on demo
Jim DeHaven : pretty funny
Rusty Tucker Kick butt?
Jim DeHaven : they did a Macromedia director file
Jim DeHaven : kicked butt badly
Jim DeHaven : they played a 233 MHz pentium II at the same
time
Jim DeHaven : absolutely pathetic
Rusty Tucker $1200 home PC vs. $5000 workstation. David wins
again!
Jim DeHaven : I could compress the file and put it in your
box if you'd like rusty
Jim DeHaven : absolutely
Jim DeHaven : the pentium had a 100 MHz memory bus
Donald McHose : Hell I would like a copy of that too if
possible.
Jim DeHaven : and 1/2 meg backside cache
Jim DeHaven : I will compress it
Jim DeHaven : I expect the compressed version will still be
10 Mb or so
Rusty Tucker and a floppy disk drive I'd guess :(
Jim DeHaven : good point
Jim DeHaven : that is jobs
Jim DeHaven : with his mania for style
Rusty Tucker maybe even a SCSI port ? :)
Jim DeHaven : I remember when he felt the future was in
serial hard drives
Jim DeHaven : a byte interview I believe
Rusty Tucker Well, I said when the thing came out. Its a
College Students dream.
Jim DeHaven : where he proved that the Mac serial port was
plenty fast
Jim DeHaven : well--let me tell you Rusty
Donald McHose : To be honest I think they are on the right
track with USB
Jim DeHaven : with an Ethernet network
Rusty Tucker If you got 10baseT in your dorm room, you don't'
need the rest.
Jim DeHaven : it makes sense
Jim DeHaven : yes but 12 megabits?
Jim DeHaven : that's a max. of 2 megabytes per second give or
take
Jim DeHaven : not fast enough
Rusty Tucker SCSI would be real nice...
Rusty Tucker iMac Plus?
Donald McHose : For the college student if they could have
put in their old T.V. card it would have been great..a true all in
one
Jim DeHaven : HAH!!!!!!!
Jim DeHaven : yes I can see it
Jim DeHaven : jobs quits company in about a year in anger
Jim DeHaven : and new management comes out with iMacPlus
Jim DeHaven : followed by iMacII
Jim DeHaven : with PV slots
Rusty Tucker :):):):)
Jim DeHaven : PC slots
Jim DeHaven : the more things change.....
Rusty Tucker But, ya know
Rusty Tucker they already have G3's with all those
goodies.
Jim DeHaven : Yes-- I have 4 of them
Rusty Tucker just not for 1200 bones
Jim DeHaven : hee hee hee
Rusty Tucker b*strd
Rusty Tucker wish I did :(
Jim DeHaven : your font just turned green rusty
Rusty Tucker yep
Jim DeHaven : I was lucky
Donald McHose : keep that stability in your orbitals......The
EDU students can get the all-in one machines for home use now.
Jim DeHaven : Yes the all in ones are totally functional
Jim DeHaven : and totally ugly
Jim DeHaven : they look like giant toasters
Jim DeHaven : I am sitting at one now
Jim DeHaven : I got to specify the Macs that we purchased for
the faculty
Donald McHose : True...oh God I am gonna ...
Jim DeHaven : every faculty has either a G3 or a 7300
Jim DeHaven : with 64 meg ram
Jim DeHaven : and a Jaz drive
Jim DeHaven : and multisync monitor
Rusty Tucker just the thing for WORD
Jim DeHaven : and laser printer
Jim DeHaven : that is the faculty who chose Macs
Jim DeHaven : the PC faculty
Donald McHose : % ?
Jim DeHaven : some of them got 133 Mhz pentiums
Jim DeHaven : about 1/3 Macs
Rusty Tucker poor sh*ts
Jim DeHaven : well--they had our administrators choose their
PC's for them
Jim DeHaven : they just went to the last line in the catalog
and said
Jim DeHaven : "What a bargain"
Jim DeHaven : "Lets get those"
Jim DeHaven : what boneheads
Donald McHose : not bad considering..the % that is. It could
be worse. We have 100% PC thanx to our admin.
Rusty Tucker Actually, I could take everything I've got and
trade em all in on a G3 PowerBook, and have more MIPs
Jim DeHaven : ouch
Jim DeHaven : that ouch was for don
Jim DeHaven : how do you exist in such an environment?
Jim DeHaven : (PS I am known as the "squeaky wheel" here)
Donald McHose : Yeah well I wear my Mac stuff every time I go
to the school.
Rusty Tucker Time for me to wrap.
Rusty Tucker Any last Q's before I go?
Jim DeHaven : yes
Donald McHose : and I always let them know what's serving
them.
Gary Clarke : Thanks Rusty, any answer on user Manager?
Rusty Tucker User Manager?
Jim DeHaven : do you have 2 or 3 of the most impressive
statistics about Telefinder?
Jim DeHaven : I need this--like number of hits per day it can
take
Gary Clarke : Adding a comment field, I'm currently use the
callback field for extra info!
Jim DeHaven : I need this to impress some administrators and
grants people
Rusty Tucker GC - nothing for that now. I use the Phone field
if necessary
Gary Clarke : OK, bye
Jim DeHaven : or 2 or 3 major users if possible--something to
impress them
Rusty Tucker JD - Last I clocked it on a 604/132 was 200 hits
per second
Rusty Tucker 18000000 per day
Jim DeHaven : cool
Donald McHose : Catch ya'll later. B-sure to post this if ya
get a chance Rusty for info..and thanx.
Donald McHose left the chat.
Rusty Tucker c-ya Donald McHose
Rusty Tucker You could get lots more on a G3 running over a
100 base t
Jim Smith : cu
Jim Smith left the chat.
Rusty Tucker c-ya Jim Smith
Jim DeHaven : yes--I have a 100 megahertz card waiting to be
installed in my 7300
Jim DeHaven : which will be the dl server for now
Jim DeHaven : how about major customers?
Jim DeHaven : General Motors?
Jim DeHaven : the CIA?
Jim DeHaven : something like that?
Gary Clarke left the chat.
Rusty Tucker c-ya Gary Clarke
Jim DeHaven : whoops--I really drove 'em away
Rusty Tucker Associated Press ( 10+ sites ), Boston Globe, Sir
Speedy Print Shops ( 500+ sites )
Jim DeHaven : and Phila. daily news
Rusty Tucker United Media ( delivers cartoons for all the
daily's )
Rusty Tucker Yep Phila..
Jim DeHaven : OK cool
Jim DeHaven : thanks
Jim DeHaven : I will try to get that movie to you this
p.m.
Rusty Tucker thx -- see ya next time
Jim DeHaven : bye
July 16, 1998 -- ©Copyright 1998, Spider Island Software