In attendance: Sysops: Jim Smith, Bob Nunn, Ken Sutherland, Bill Gram-Reefer, Jim DeHaven

Jim Smith: <<joined the chat>>

Bob Nunn: Hello Jim, guess we are early or it just too nice outside for a chat...

Jim Smith: Not here, trying to rain.

Bob Nunn: Well you are getting what we had yesterday I guess. Perhaps tomorrow will be nice for you. My yard is one big sog

Jim Smith: Bob how do you go about having Internet email for your BBS?

Bob Nunn: My ISP lets me use his server to transport my mail out. He pushes headgap.com stuff to mine.

Jim Smith: What programs are used?

Bob Nunn: Just mail server. If your ISP sets up for you it won't take any additional.

Bob Nunn: At the office here we use our NT boxes mail server to route our internal mail and to our TF-BBS.

Bob Nunn: Unfortunately TF's mail server is not really a full blown mail server so I guess you are looking for a real mail server program?

Jim Smith: No, just something simple;->

Ken Sutherland: <<joined the chat>>

Ken Sutherland: hello

Bob Nunn: Ken, you will have to try out my "Ask the Borg" headgap.com/borg.spml

Ken Sutherland2: <<joined the chat>>

Ken Sutherland2: hello again

Bob Nunn: Hello

Ken Sutherland2: do you know anything about ISDN terminal/modem combo's

Bob Nunn: Nope

Ken Sutherland2: bummer

Ken Sutherland2: am getting my own feed again, highlander lives again, yipeeee

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Bob Nunn: I think Rusty did something like that. I am using a Router for mine.

Bob Nunn: My system was down, I just reset it. You will have to try out my "Ask the Borg" headgap.com/borg.spml

Bob Nunn: brb - scanning on the other machine...

Bill Gram-Reefer: <<joined the chat>>

Ken Sutherland: <<joined the chat>>

Bill Gram-Reefer: hi guys

Ken Sutherland: 3rd time lucky

Bill Gram-Reefer: say... if my web thread stats show highest usage as 12 of 12 threads, how many more threads would one add?

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Bob Nunn: 4 more

Bill Gram-Reefer: and for each of those four how much more memory should I add to TF server?

Bob Nunn: Most browsers are set to use 4 at a time you would theoretically add one more user. Probably a meg would do it (maybe less I forget the formula).

Bob Nunn: Seem to remember 128k per thread. So 1/2 meg should do.

Bill Gram-Reefer: I already have it set at 8 Mb....just a wild guess...anyone know the formula?

Bill Gram-Reefer: So what is a thread...is it the number of TCP nodes?

Bob Nunn: Nope kinda like a channel.

Ken Sutherland: an info stream

Bill Gram-Reefer: where in TF server menus do you add web threads as opposed to TCP nodes?

Bob Nunn: I run 18 on mine and have never topped out using it. I think I am running 9 meg on mine and have the cache set up healthy. Threads are in the web config

Bill Gram-Reefer: server setting under Web menu?

Ken Sutherland: bob , how big is your feed

Bob Nunn: Yes under web menu. Just 64k but with the ascend to ascend box compression or whatever.

Jim DeHaven: Nynex/bell Atlantic have nothing comparable

Ken Sutherland: my 64k will cost $600/month

Jim DeHaven: It is so awful living in buffalo

Bill Gram-Reefer: Bell Atlantic is being rather pissy about the whole thing

Jim DeHaven: we have the sabres but lousy Internet access

Bob Nunn: I guess I should be really happy with my $30 Line Charge and $125 ISP charge.

Ken Sutherland: yup

Jim DeHaven: well I am happy with my modem type provider--they are cool 50 bucks per month

Jim DeHaven: I was complaining about the lack of speedier alternatives

Ken Sutherland: Jim, get 2 modem lines and a router,get double speed

Jim DeHaven: with a 56k modem 50 bucks per month is great especially considering what a dedicated 56k line cost a few months back

Jim DeHaven: really??? you can do that???

Bill Gram-Reefer: reverse multiplexing, I think its called

Bill Gram-Reefer: the box aggregates the two connections into one somehow

Jim DeHaven: I need 2 IP numbers assigned to the same domain names?

Bob Nunn: Going out, I couldn't ever figure how to get one IP address using multi coming in though.

Ken Sutherland: ask Rusty, I know you can have a few TCP streams running using multiplexing

Bill Gram-Reefer: Maybe some adjustment on the ISP side to the MX-10 transfer table that routes IP addressing for your site?

Ken Sutherland: 2 modem lines should get you 56k in speed

Bill Gram-Reefer: KS $600 per month...yikes

Jim DeHaven: this sounds really interesting--I will definitely talk to him--the 7/24 modem lines are cheap

Ken Sutherland: set up 1 to send and other to collect

Bob Nunn: My ISP couldn't figure out how to do it even if I had bought the gear.

Bob Nunn: Talked with the Web Ramp people and they weren't much help either.

Jim DeHaven: bob have you talked at all to the biapchat people?

Bob Nunn: Not yet, I didn't install the later version yet. Every time I do they come out with a later beta.

Bill Gram-Reefer: It appears that, at least out here in Northern California, companies like COVAD and CONCENTRIC make the deal with the phone companies (PacBell) then work with ISPs in the area to offer complete service, installation, etc.

Bill Gram-Reefer: So there are just one or two companies co-locating equipment at the telco central Offices and reselling that connection to ISPs

Jim DeHaven: yes--they are popping the betas out pretty fast

Bob Nunn: Sorry to keep ducking in and out. My connection is flaky.

Jim DeHaven: cool

Bob Nunn: Jim if you get time check out my latest "Ask the Borg" at headgap.com/borg.spml

Jim DeHaven: I will--definitely

Jim DeHaven: have either of you ever visited my site?

Jim DeHaven: actually there are two of them

Bob Nunn: Variation on 8ball but so far 49 users have been assimilated. Not sure which one?

Jim DeHaven: www.koolnet.org

Jim DeHaven: dl.dyc.edu

Bob Nunn: no but will. Don't recall anyway. Use to go exploring more.

Jim DeHaven: the second you can use the name faculty and the password faculty to get into protected areas

Bob Nunn: okay. Guest with no password will give you minimum on mine.

Jim DeHaven: you get into almost all the protected realms with what I gave you on mine

Jim DeHaven: also ken

Jim DeHaven: I noticed that if you have cookies turned off

Jim DeHaven: with HDS mailer

Ken Sutherland: it wont work

Ken Sutherland: 8-)

Jim DeHaven: you get in but then when you click on a piece of mail you get the generic invalid user message

Jim DeHaven: I understand this

Jim DeHaven: but with the AOL browser

Jim DeHaven: including version 4 for the PC you get the same behavior even though you are ostensibly accepting cookies

Jim DeHaven: this is only on the PC--the Mac version 4 browser works fine

Ken Sutherland: hmm, servers them right

Ken Sutherland: A: BillGatus says the signs point to yes and you will be assimilated !

Jim DeHaven: I have had reports of people having the same problem with the generic MSIE version 4

Ken Sutherland: 50

Jim DeHaven: on the PC

Jim DeHaven: but I don't know if they had turned cookies off or not so I am not sure if this is a problem

Ken Sutherland: i.e. on the PC is very unfriendly with HDS web

Bob Nunn: Have had a bit of fun with it. Killed a couple of hours mostly stealing graphics for it. Gotta run. See you guys next week.

Bob Nunn: If I get the Chat to work I will drop you a line Jim. Bye