Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, November 14, 1997 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: mikael fredriksson, Jim Smith, Ulf Carle, Donald McHose, Jim Leary, Bob Nunn, Jonathan Paisley, Ken Sutherland, Michael Davidson,


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Jim Smith: <<joined the chat>>

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Ulf Carle: <<joined the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: hi, brb!

mikael fredriksson: Hej! = hi!

Ulf Carle: Hi

Bob Nunn: Hey!

Rusty Tucker: how goes it? I'm a little slow today due to a cold :(

Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>

Jim Leary: <<joined the chat>>

Bob Nunn: Good, my girl just got out of surgery, kidney stones, and is doing fine.

Bob Nunn: No cutting just sound? Do it outpatient now. Too damn many cokes I kept telling her.

Rusty Tucker: Hope she does well!

Rusty Tucker: I should have a new TF User for Windows this PM , this includes Find File !

Donald McHose: That's great news!!

Rusty Tucker: It's a little more simplifies than the Mac client version, more like the earlier mac version

Rusty Tucker: you specify the search string and location to search

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Rusty Tucker: Hey Jon!

Bob Nunn: Terrific. Had more than a few waiting on that feature. Good enough for a windoze user.

Jonathan Paisley: hey folks!

Rusty Tucker: After looking at the mac search again, it seems overly complex

Jim Leary: Hello Jon, any plug-in luck yet?

mikael fredriksson: Any mac client on the way with a fixed "File Basket" that can handle more than 2 files

Bob Nunn: If you make changes do consider some of us with complex large ud areas.

Rusty Tucker: The Win Search also puts the Found items in a "regular" BBS Files window, and I like that better

Rusty Tucker: it lets you sort and display the Found items by thumbnail for example

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Bob Nunn: That 'll be good for Wang's sales folks who down a lot of images.

Rusty Tucker: One nice feature is that it lets you search the "Selected" areas.

Rusty Tucker: That should help in searching a big site

Bob Nunn: Yep. My problem exactly. Lots of CD's and files on my system.

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Bob Nunn: Now if we could get users smart enough to use the selected areas feature.

Jonathan Paisley: heh

Rusty Tucker: its the default choice, so maybe it will get used :)

Bob Nunn: Guess I will add a new section to my user instruction library. It should help. People only make the mistake of searching a large area a time or two before they get it.

Rusty Tucker: I think that Win users will try and search for *.gif instead of just .gif

Rusty Tucker: that will be a little problem since the search doesn't use wild-cards

Rusty Tucker: or even q*.*

Donald McHose: Bats are pissed , gots to get off line.See ya later

Bob Nunn: Why do you suppose mac really never set up to use wildcards. I miss using them.

Jonathan Paisley: Can you make it use wildcards then?

Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: or q*rep.*

Rusty Tucker: and that's a bigger problem

Rusty Tucker: in the first case I could just strip the *, but not the last case

Jim Leary: <<left the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: * is an OK char in a mac file name

Jonathan Paisley: Yeah, but that would sort-of work since * would match * ok ;)

Rusty Tucker: that's true

Jonathan Paisley: I have a nice pattern matching routine you can have if you like

Rusty Tucker: I'll take a look at that then

Jonathan Paisley: I use it in the FTP Server for matching directory/file names

Michael Davidson: if its a window user, stip *'s, otherwise don't; not perfect but they are using windows, what can we do

Rusty Tucker: JP - maybe we can talk about the wild-card matching routine offline?

Jonathan Paisley: sure

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Michael Davidson: short of a wild-card matching routine, you could check for *'s and dialog that you don't support wildcards, are they sure they want to use the character * in their search.

Ken Sutherland: ppp is so reliable

Rusty Tucker: ppp is ok, modems suck :)

Michael Davidson: back to just KS instead of KS2 huh Ken?

Ken Sutherland: especially k56

Bob Nunn: Looking forward to my ISDN via my new router

Ken Sutherland: split personality...

Michael Davidson: I wonder how many "personalities" TF could support??

Ken Sutherland: attention please

mikael fredriksson: I got my ISDN line this week this is the first chat using it...

Ken Sutherland: For Your Attention



Highlander Data Systems is pleased to announce the release

of "Online Assistant For Telefinder V2.01".

You will be able to download the release version from

Spiderisland from Sunday.

The cost for OAT is £69.99 plus vat for a hobby license

and £99.99 plus vat for a commercial license.



Rusty Tucker: <<Cheers!>>

Michael Davidson: GREAT!

Michael Davidson: ( that equates to precisely how much in greenbacks?)

Ken Sutherland: now Jon can get on with the other 7 or so projects we have on the go

mikael fredriksson: Please let Rusty sell it, then I don't have to pay sales tax ;-)

Ken Sutherland: as well as getting drunk at uni

Michael Davidson: and girls (I presume!)

Ken Sutherland: don't ask me, he is a member or a drama group ( i think)

Rusty Tucker: You mean he's a lesbian

Rusty Tucker: err thespian :)

Michael Davidson: I guess we should call him Sir Jon now!

Ken Sutherland: you missed him in 'the sound of music'

Jonathan Paisley: hah

Jonathan Paisley: and 'Annie'

Ken Sutherland: guess who was the nun

Rusty Tucker: ;)

Jonathan Paisley: shut it short boy

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Rusty Tucker: that's nice, send us all the QT vid when the show goes on

Ken Sutherland: now i have a use for that quicktake 150

Jonathan Paisley: heheh

Rusty Tucker: Hi Kevin!

Jonathan Paisley: Did any of you hear about the notorious 'Brandon Lee' who was 32 but posed as a 17 year old in a Scottish school? That was my school...

Kevin Shearon: Hi guys!

Ken Sutherland: it was

Michael Davidson: Yes Jonathan, I did hear about that.

Rusty Tucker: To recap quickly TF Win 3.1b1 will be up soon, and OAT 2.01 will be online this weekend

Ken Sutherland: that explains a lot

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Rusty Tucker: Ken, do you have to pay vat to ship to the US?

Rusty Tucker: I know you have to pay it on the receiving side..

Ken Sutherland: Hmmmmm

mikael fredriksson: There is only tax in Europe from the UK no tax to the US

Ken Sutherland: i cant get a straight answer

Ken Sutherland: is the sale in the uk or USA, i need to charge tax but you can claim it back

Rusty Tucker: oh yeah, that will work :)

Ken Sutherland: i have asked the vat people 4 times and never had the same answer twice

mikael fredriksson: I live in Sweden and you have charge sales tax if I cant give you a Swedish VAT number

Ulf Carle: <<left the chat>>

Jonathan Paisley: Get them to put it in writing...

Rusty Tucker: go with the answer you like best :!

Jim Leary: <<left the chat>>

Ken Sutherland: have you ever seen a VAT inspector, chills your blood to ice

mikael fredriksson: Ulf Carle need more time

Michael Davidson: with IRS, if you go with the answer you like best, they will penalize you

Rusty Tucker: ok

Ken Sutherland: you think the IRS is bad, you have it lucky

Michael Davidson: Abolish the IRS....let freedom ring

Rusty Tucker: he has more time now

Ulf Carle: <<joined the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: love that web UM

Bob Nunn: Its the State and Local that are a pain around here.

Rusty Tucker: Just got my 30 day notice on the office, guess I really need to move now

Jonathan Paisley: :(

Rusty Tucker: That's good actually, should be able to save $$

Bob Nunn: Will you lose the T1?

Rusty Tucker: I might downsize it, I'll have to check the options

mikael fredriksson: You only charge tax between European Union countries if they cant give you their VAT number. and you don't charge tax on export to non EU countries

Rusty Tucker: 128 k would be fine

Kevin Shearon: Rusty we are looking at switching from our ISDN line to the cable wave any problems with this?

Bob Nunn: Residential 128k ISDN should be a bit better

Bob Nunn: Price wise that is

Rusty Tucker: ISDN is pricey around here

Jonathan Paisley: must go folks! Work to do!

Rusty Tucker: Cable should work just fine for you Kevin

Michael Davidson: our cable system is VERY unreliable around here

Rusty Tucker: I think that you have a 2 way link there, not modem on the backchannnel is that right?

Rusty Tucker: At the NACT conf I heard a lot of good things about IP via Cable in Canada

Rusty Tucker: fast and cheap

Kevin Shearon: I know the Alberta system switched to cable and it seems to work fine but

Michael Davidson: Ours is cheap, very fast, but unreliable

Kevin Shearon: not sure if they had any problems configuring it

Michael Davidson: its Zenith based

Kevin Shearon: with respect to TF

Rusty Tucker: not too surprising, the cable ops around here are not too swift

Ken Sutherland: come to the UK, a 64k line costs £8000 a year

Jonathan Paisley: <<left the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: anyone buy a G3 system yet?

mikael fredriksson: I sold one at work;-)

Michael Davidson: in my dreams

Rusty Tucker: even better!

Kevin Shearon: only thing that may cause problems is that our email is all routed to Mail Server, not sure if the cable people can do that, they said something about a proxy server

Ken Sutherland: ordered a 266 system today

Ken Sutherland: been told up lo 1 month delivery

Rusty Tucker: hmm, what does that mean I wonder?

Michael Davidson: Kevin, at least here, you can hook the entire network up to cable

Rusty Tucker: With some cable systems, they are not suitable for running servers, only clients

Kevin Shearon: not sure, but if Alberta did it then we should be able to, our systems are almost identical

Rusty Tucker: sometimes you get a single IP to work with, and its similar to the Vicom proxy

Rusty Tucker: and that's a problem

Michael Davidson: here we get 4 IP #s

Kevin Shearon: the cable guy is getting something on paper for me, I told him how it's setup now and what we need it to do

Rusty Tucker: Also, do they run a mail server that you can route your mail too?

Kevin Shearon: I believe so, they must

Kevin Shearon: could save us so serious $$$

Rusty Tucker: If they don't you may need to run AIMS on a second machine to route your mail.

Michael Davidson: Don't they all have to have an smtp server rusty?

Rusty Tucker: Since TF's mail server passes all outgoing mail to a single host, where it gets relayed to the individual hosts.

Rusty Tucker: Its likely that they run an SMTP server, but they don't need to let you use it for relay purposes

Michael Davidson: o, that would be a problem

Rusty Tucker: Anybody try Bungie's "Myth?"

Rusty Tucker: It seems to have TCP-IP capability for running over the net.

Ken Sutherland: any comments on the new LaserWriter 8.5.1 and printing via tcp instead of AppleTalk?

Rusty Tucker: Apparently you can run a server to host games too

Rusty Tucker: TCP should be faster

Rusty Tucker: What printers will support it?

Ken Sutherland: any that support tcp communication I'm told

Ken Sutherland: told its faster

Rusty Tucker: I got this note via email today:

mikael fredriksson: (you can buy any Postscript printer with tcp support)

Rusty Tucker: <<My wife's company uses First Class. This morning while, after a file the

First Class Client did its usual sound. Have you ever heard it? I think

it is best described as a wet fart in a shallow bath.

Rusty Tucker: >>

Rusty Tucker: I haven't heard that one, is it a standard sound?

Michael Davidson: LOL

Michael Davidson: "Sounds" like it is rusty

Michael Davidson: I wonder what the sound is when the mail does not go thru properly....:)

mikael fredriksson: Rusty «tisn't it time to go public with TeleFinder new multi homing? (read that WebStar will have it in 3.0)

Rusty Tucker: I have one bug I'm waiting to clear, then we should be OK to go Final Candidate, and release the news

Rusty Tucker: early next week?

mikael fredriksson: :-)

Rusty Tucker: Jon, W* is prepping their own FTP plug-in .

Michael Davidson: Jon's gone

Ken Sutherland: ill let him know

Ken Sutherland: but our FTP server is for telefinder

Ken Sutherland: for

Ken Sutherland: uses UM for authorization

Rusty Tucker: yep, and should support significantly better privilege authorizations as a result

Ken Sutherland: indeed

Rusty Tucker: W* access model is a mess IMHO

Ken Sutherland: including messages

Rusty Tucker: Just got the latest FC client, the File Transfer done sound is "odd" like a popping bubble

Ken Sutherland: if we get the FTP and the NNTP servers up and running

Rusty Tucker: I just noticed that the last FC client is dated Oct 21, 1996!! Are they still supporting and updating it?

Ken Sutherland: Tut Tut

Jim Smith: putting all their effort to WIN?? O)

Rusty Tucker: I've also received a few emails about their Internet Server being less than stable, has anyone had experience with that?

Michael Davidson: I heard that too...unstable and crashing....also saw they have a FC smtp/NNTP gateway

Ken Sutherland: nope, i have been too busy getting my system to answer modem calls above 288

Rusty Tucker: that's the so called "gateway from hell"?

Rusty Tucker: Well folks looks like its time to wrap up for today

Rusty Tucker: Check the server later on for the new stuff!

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Ken Sutherland: Bob , thanks for the icon BTW

Kevin Shearon: <<left the chat>>

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mikael fredriksson: <<left the chat>>

Michael Davidson: bye Ken, Bob

Ken Sutherland: we will be posting info later

Ken Sutherland: please send it to any list servers you sub to

Ken Sutherland: spread the word

Ken Sutherland: 8-)

Michael Davidson: ok

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Bob Nunn: <<left the chat>>

Bob Nunn: Gotta Run catch you next week.

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Kevin Shearon: <<left the chat>>


November 14, 1997 -- ©Copyright 1997, Spider Island Software