Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, October 14, 1997 11 AM PDT.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: Michael Davidson, mikael fredriksson, Jim Smith, Ken Sutherland, Kevin Shearon, Roderich Bott, Bob Nunn



Michael Davidson: hi Jim, how how ya?

Rusty Tucker: hola

Bob Nunn: Greetings

Bob Nunn: Just got through adding an XLR8 180 to our 7600 120. Makes me want a 604e machine real bad.

Rusty Tucker: Hey Hey!

Michael Davidson: another speed freak

Kevin Shearon: Hi all!

Bob Nunn: Yep, gotta tune them buses

Rusty Tucker: We've got brush fires here today :(

Kevin Shearon: that's ok, they'

Rusty Tucker: Schools canceled, and they wer e threatening evacuation at home, but it looks OK now.

mikael fredriksson: I found a small problem with TeleFinder User 5.6b2 it will only download 1-2 files from the download folder then close the window and stop downloading..

Kevin Shearon: they'll be put out when California falls into the Pacific

Rusty Tucker: :)

Jim Smith: Rusty: Hope you have TF backup, off site.

Rusty Tucker: which download folder?

Kevin Shearon: KRusty did you get my most recent email?

Rusty Tucker: about Reno? yes

Michael Davidson: probably means the out basket

mikael fredriksson: Sorry, "File Basket"

Kevin Shearon: yes, why do you think the icons don't come up when web Server logger says they were ok?

Rusty Tucker: Could be because of canceling the page via NS.

Ken Sutherland: morning

Rusty Tucker: I have seen that from a stale local cache too.

Michael Davidson: Hi Ken

Kevin Shearon: sometimes they load properly, sometimes two load,it's usually different each time

Kevin Shearon: so when you checked out our page it just had the image icon where the banner ad was?

Michael Davidson: Bob, I remember u used Applescript for some stuff, are you an AS pro?

Rusty Tucker: If there are not enough threads you can get that sometimes

Bob Nunn: No not really. Just learned how to turn it on and save it out as an app. It really does all that for me. I can change paths etc. but not any thing more advanced

Kevin Shearon: I have 5 threads (I think) for the web page and 4 set for downloads

Ken Sutherland: rusty, how compatible is TF with Apple's ip5

Rusty Tucker: it should be completely compatible

Rusty Tucker: That's pretty low Kevin

Kevin Shearon: what should I change it to?

Michael Davidson: Thanks Bob (for nothing) :)

Ken Sutherland: ta, contact at apple asked me

Kevin Shearon: could it have anything to do with the cache settings in TF?

Rusty Tucker: We run 20

Rusty Tucker: w/ 5 you can typically have just one visitor loading a page at a time

Michael Davidson: (too bad TF doesn't talk PPP, so it communicate with Apple IP) ......enough said

Kevin Shearon: ok, I'll change it to 15, so what would you recommend to up the memory requirements to?

Ken Sutherland: Michael , u missed ftp as well

Ken Sutherland: 8)

Rusty Tucker: ur right about the file basket! 2 items and it closes :(

Rusty Tucker: add 2 Mb to TF 's allocation

Kevin Shearon: ok thanks

Michael Davidson: that too Ken ;/

Ken Sutherland: rusty, had any thoughts on the alias issue we talked about

Rusty Tucker: aside from disallowing aliases ? no

Michael Davidson: lol

Rusty Tucker: Or just let aliases work within the predefined paths

Ken Sutherland: could realms be a solution

Rusty Tucker: that would be the same as limiting to the paths ( access group )

Ken Sutherland: snap

Rusty Tucker: As it stands now, when TF encounters an alias, it creates a new access path to it.

Rusty Tucker: Lots of sysops utilize that in their setups.

Rusty Tucker: That's why aliases stop working if you have too many ( too many paths ) and TF doesn't store more than 25(?) alias paths.

Ken Sutherland: i usually hack the cint, could that cause probs

Kevin Shearon: Hey Rusty 10 click throughs so far, $3 in the bank!

Rusty Tucker: It could cause the server to run out of memory

Rusty Tucker: :)

Ken Sutherland: shit, i usually hack it up to around 500 paths and give it an extra 3 MB

Ken Sutherland: i use lots of aliases in the file base

Rusty Tucker: If you think that the alias can be hacked, then you should set the CINT to zero

Ken Sutherland: bummer

Ken Sutherland: i found in the pass if you had 2 many aliases the server could not resolve them all, is this correct

Rusty Tucker: It can resolve them all, it just won't give you access to them all, based on that CINT value.

Michael Davidson: Why is it that you have the CINT value set to resolve only 25 aliases then Rusty; is it for memory considerations?

mikael fredriksson: I found 2 outside the chat room ;-)

Ken Sutherland: ok, think of this, in 1 of my file areas i have 30 + aliases linking various hd's and cd's, what would be Your solution

Roderich Bott: Hi, thanks for the special invitation, Michael!

Rusty Tucker: Welcome!

Ken Sutherland: hi Roderich

Kevin Shearon: To many guys in the room

Bob Nunn: Hey Roderich

Rusty Tucker: Yes, that's the basic memory setting

Rusty Tucker: its based on 25 aliases ( each take up 1k per session )

Bob Nunn: Do you think most TF sysops run more than 25? I know that I do.

Michael Davidson: Ken, use an alias to the hard drive and the cd itself. I think TF does all right with paths inside those drives then

Michael Davidson: I definitely do use more than 25

Rusty Tucker: The alias paths are created in real time as the user encounters the alias

Michael Davidson: and put those hd & cd aliases in a folder that is accessible but where the users can't see the folder

Ken Sutherland: nope, in my setup i have several folders setup for access limits, not all folders have all alias's and some have restricted 1's, have i missed a easier way

Rusty Tucker: So you can have more than 25, and not have the access rejected

Bob Nunn: I haven't noticed any real problems though, even though I have more than 50???

Michael Davidson: yes, Rusty, and that's why TF slows down when it cannot resolve the alias

Ken Sutherland: i need a coffee, brain is hurting

Rusty Tucker: a- it doesn't slow down, b - it does resolve the alias

Rusty Tucker: it just does not let you use it.

Rusty Tucker: IF

Rusty Tucker: a- the alias points to a location that's already been allowed

Michael Davidson: I mean, if for example, you have an alias to a cd in a folder, the cd is not loaded, and the user opens the folder, it will slow down for the user

Rusty Tucker: Yes, of course.

Michael Davidson: (It's a sysop caused problem, not a TF Server problem)

Rusty Tucker: The OS tries to mount the CD, so that takes some time

Rusty Tucker: Here's an example of the aliases

Rusty Tucker: Say that the user has a simple access group,

Rusty Tucker: one file area HD:files:

Rusty Tucker: And say the limit is 2 alias paths

Rusty Tucker: You put 5 aliases in the folder

Rusty Tucker: one to the AMUG CD:files:

Rusty Tucker: one to the AMUG CD:art:

Roderich Bott: sorry - must leave, check http://www.spiderisland.com/~Roderich Bott/ to see why... Roderich

Rusty Tucker: one to HD:other files:

Rusty Tucker: one to HD:other files:more:

Rusty Tucker: So it the user finds

Rusty Tucker: the AMUG aliases first, TF will setup access to AMUG files and Art

Rusty Tucker: they will be denied access to anything in HD Other files

Kevin Shearon: Rusty spml pages...Is it just the main pages that should be labeled with the spml extension or should all the pages have spml extensions?

Ken Sutherland: Roderich's page is bust

Rusty Tucker: If the user finds HD:other files:more:, then HD:other files: he will be deigned access to AMUG

Rusty Tucker: but, if he finds HD:other files:, then HD:other files:more: then AMUG CD:files:, TF will allow the AMUG files access

Rusty Tucker: but not AMUG CD:art:, if he finds that next

Rusty Tucker: So even though there is 2 alias paths allowed, he can use 3, since HD:other files:more: is a sub dir of HD:other files:

Kevin Shearon: its/~Roderich_Bott he has a picture of his newborn on it

Michael Davidson: Rusty, say you have 1 AMUG cd and one HD:other files: (with limit of 2 paths); and you put 2 alias in a hidden access folder ; the two being AMUG cd HD:other files:; then....

Rusty Tucker: Congrats Roderich!

Rusty Tucker: are the 1st 2 aliases or regular paths?

Rusty Tucker: Kevin, Any page you want TF to run the includes in needs to be tagged w/ .SPML or .SPM

Rusty Tucker: or you can change .HTML and .HTM to be treated as Active Pages by setting up a handler that way for them

Rusty Tucker: Its better for efficiency to limit them to spml

Kevin Shearon: still confused, which pages are html or spml, or should I just have them all spml?

Rusty Tucker: Any active page needs to be SPML

Rusty Tucker: If its HTML, TF does not evaluate the comments for commands

Kevin Shearon: so change them all to spml?

Rusty Tucker: Yes, change all Active Pages to spml

Kevin Shearon: is the comments for commands stuff like " in them

Kevin Shearon: active as in pages that the public can access?

Rusty Tucker: this starts a HTML comment