TeleFinder Chat from Thurday, January 28, 1999 6 PM PST.
From Spider Island:
Sysops: Donald McHose,
O'Leary, Bob Nunn
Donald McHose: Hey Bob , Dan.
Daniel O'Leary: Anyone want a Suzie you can see the options
Daniel O'Leary: hehe, I got it.
Bob Nunn: Hey, I would like one that would work.
Donald McHose: wouldn't do me any good right now ;-(
Bob Nunn: Still using 1.7, I can't get 2.0 up at all. Crashes
Daniel O'Leary: The one I have seems to work if you don't have
GX Graphics on.
Donald McHose: wouldn't want that on a server anyhow would
Daniel O'Leary: I am working on CGI's now.
Daniel O'Leary: The ones I am working on make total use of
Donald McHose: nice
Daniel O'Leary: I am building very complex forms from pieces,
that reconfigure themselves depending upon where they are located in
the document tree.
Daniel O'Leary: They look like a single form, but composed of
Daniel O'Leary: They time and datestamp and self-sign all
Daniel O'Leary: grin.
Daniel O'Leary: Even the default submission data for each
piece is a separate file.
Donald McHose: getting ready to give E-Bay a run for the
Bob Nunn: I have reworked most of my web site again, and have
just opened an online ordering system for the company I work for.
Daniel O'Leary: When I get a few spare moments, I will tackle
a new Add New User program.
Daniel O'Leary: and one that pushes updates to common user
Daniel O'Leary: I told Don about that one last night.
Daniel O'Leary: I think he may have detected some new
Donald McHose: to true ;-)..Bob is your on-line ordering via
Daniel O'Leary: My primary development platform at work is an
SGI, and I'm glad that I can use the same code on both platforms.
Donald McHose: because its C++ ?
Bob Nunn: Wish I had the time, but we will have close to
10,000 items online by the end of the year. Using a Linux server and
program. I send the output, handle registration etc. through the TF
Daniel O'Leary: Hehe...
Bob Nunn: May be able to go to Mac OSX server looks like
Daniel O'Leary: I like the Java and SPML thing.
Daniel O'Leary: Need to get into Beans.
Donald McHose: I should say so..but what the hey, if ya got
sumthin that works now...run with it. MacOSX looks like a whole new
ball game esp. with web objects and such.
Daniel O'Leary: I will most likely be getting a 400 MHz G3
with MacOS X.
Donald McHose: Beans are neat if someone would support a good
application environment for writing them.
Donald McHose: Guess you will be busy in Feb.
Daniel O'Leary: Yes.
Daniel O'Leary: It will be nice to jump back to current
Daniel O'Leary: I have to admit that by and large, this 8100
has served me very well.
Daniel O'Leary: Which reminds me, I can answer that question
about CSI cards - They work just fine.
Daniel O'Leary: I am using one right now.
Bob Nunn: Been happy with mine. I use the CSI Hurdler as
Donald McHose: yes there are a number of these work horses out
there still..thats good to read.I wonder why the other sysop was
having so many problems?
Daniel O'Leary: Mine is a 4 port hurdler. Would like to have a
hustler, to move the other DTE to 115.2K.
Daniel O'Leary: I do not know what they are referring to. I've
run just about every version of TF that came down the pike on this
Daniel O'Leary: I have run every version of OS too.
Bob Nunn: I have same card. Wish I could do the same. Who
knew, I only run 2 modems now that most of the traffic comes in from
Daniel O'Leary: A point of Information, I now moderate two
Daniel O'Leary: MAC_TELEFINDER, and SYSTEM7.
Bob Nunn: The only time both of them get lit is when the net
connection at the office is down. Most of the execs use Headgap mail
since it is more reliable than the IS setup.
Daniel O'Leary: Grin.
Daniel O'Leary: Tell the execs to flow that down to the
Daniel O'Leary: buy more TF servers.
Daniel O'Leary: hehe
Bob Nunn: The IS guys have taken to fingering their crosses
anytime I come to a sr. staff meeting. ;-)
Donald McHose: that's just beautiful !
Daniel O'Leary: About Fido, I am trying to pick up two more
echoes, PowerPC and MAC_GAMES.
Donald McHose: Speaking of mail..did any of ya'll check Maui
Daniel O'Leary: if you get the time, check these out.
Bob Nunn: They can't understand why iMacs are cheaper than the
HP dumb terminals, there must be something wrong with them they seem
Daniel O'Leary: I went to the site, but do not have an
Bob Nunn: Nope, I used to check them out when they were
running HDS mail. Have they changed it? I had heard they were having
Donald McHose: looks like they went over to Stalker
Daniel O'Leary: Checked out the email client, but my
requirement is that it be integrated with the BBS.
Daniel O'Leary: There is something wrong with them, they are
not a PC clone.
Daniel O'Leary: nor are they expensive HP hardware.
Bob Nunn: And they aren't broke all the time keeping the 1/2
dozen goobers they have for staff working.
Daniel O'Leary: hehe
Daniel O'Leary: HP has lost my respect.
Daniel O'Leary: They USED to market great stuff.
Daniel O'Leary: Now they sell Junk.
Daniel O'Leary: Same thing that SGI is preparing to do.
Bob Nunn: The owners wife couldn't get into the store since
her link was dead to the net. She was viewing buffer. IS told them
they would get to it a week from Thursday? What bugs me is she
Daniel O'Leary: It is a damned shame.
Daniel O'Leary: shame.
Donald McHose: That too!
Daniel O'Leary: Bob, users on that junk have come to expect
less from their systems.
Bob Nunn: Gotta go where the bucks are I guess. I always hate
to see someone cheapen their product for mkt. share.
Daniel O'Leary: Sorry excuses are just accepted.
Daniel O'Leary: Except for me, I HAMMER it.
Daniel O'Leary: Crap like NT is inexcusable.
Daniel O'Leary: Crap like OFFICE is inexcusable.
Donald McHose: We had an IT geek come into our office this Am
for a desk top fix..four hours later he needed one of us to upgrade
an account to pay for his working on four others. Finally he snuck
out for lunch never to return ;-)
Bob Nunn: Evidently. Not production oriented I guess. I had to
move the sales gal down to a Mac to register users for the store.
They have decided she needs $3000 worth of hardware and software.
Daniel O'Leary: Hehe. I just don't tolerate it here, or at
Donald McHose: 98 has been a huge boon to their group.
Daniel O'Leary: At each opportunity I demonstrate that I can
produce work and data that ANYONE can use, not just the suckers with
the latest dribbleware orifice version.
Donald McHose: Well my Mac surfer shirts are not deemed
professional now ;-)
Bob Nunn: One of our sales reps said that the head network guy
told him the reason his reflections terminal software wouldn't work
is because he was on 98 instead of 95 and suggested he
Donald McHose: Gots to go pick up kids see ya'll
Daniel O'Leary: AND I do it on 5-6 year old systems.
Bob Nunn: Wear a toga and sandals with an olive wreath on your
head. Gives them new perspective on what is acceptable.
Bob Nunn: So do I. I have finally retired all 68k's except for
one Quadra 800. But I still have plenty 6100/60/66s in use.
Daniel O'Leary: Grin. The other thing I point out is the
workload versus instability factor.
Daniel O'Leary: this 8100 blows them out of the water... ALL
Bob Nunn: They are starting to irritate me though. With the
iMac on my desk it is hard for me to help someone on a 6100.
Daniel O'Leary: Time to get them all iMacs.
Bob Nunn: You are right. My 8100/110 and my Power Computing
120 are just fine. Not quite as snappy but still plenty
Daniel O'Leary: color coded by group, grin.
Bob Nunn: All but the Artists. Need the larger screens for
them but the rest would be good. Yep move them programmers to a
Bob Nunn: Did you get to see any of Job's keynote?
Daniel O'Leary: I have the crappie Real Player version.
Daniel O'Leary: It is on my homepage... Wish I had a QT
Bob Nunn: Someone got a bootleg video from a CA TV station.
Got to see it at the AppleCore meeting week before last. Was good!
Liked the 50 iMacs hooked to the OSX server.
Daniel O'Leary: THAT is what sold my wife.
Bob Nunn: Yep. Gonna wait a while but will have one of those
eventually at home here.
Bob Nunn: Would like to learn a bit more about Unix etc. Looks
like a good way to do it perhaps. Guess I could try the Linux.
Bob Nunn: Haven't heard much but understand there is a newer
PPC version of it now.
Daniel O'Leary: Yes, there is a new MkLinux, too.
Daniel O'Leary: I use Unix daily, and love it. My SGI has a
VERY Mac-Like front end on it.
Bob Nunn: May look into it some more. Been sending database
files back and forth, using BBEdit and FileMaker to produce the files
but it would be nice to use the database native I think.
Daniel O'Leary: When I get more JAVA savvy, look out.
Bob Nunn: I am hoping that 5.7.3 will take care of the odd
occasional crash I sometimes get. Can't complain about 5.7.2 much
though goes for weeks now.
Daniel O'Leary: I am gradually fixing Suzie.
Daniel O'Leary: I am running low on space again and had to
nuke my MetroWorks directory.
Daniel O'Leary: I need to get a current version of that, along
with the space to reload it.
Daniel O'Leary: hehe
Bob Nunn: I guess what kills me is that it is always the same
crash according to MacsBugs. I would like to test Suzie when you get
it cleaned up. I hate to wait for 1.7 to read thru the 600 odd
Bob Nunn: I would run it more often if it didn't. Slugs things
down a good while during its session.
Bob Nunn: Guess I oughta get back to it. My wife is calling.
Daniel O'Leary: There is a behavior difference when it is on a
schedule vs. when it is sublaunched.
Daniel O'Leary: Okay, will catch you later.
Bob Nunn: Looking forward to seeing it. Later.
January 28, 1999 --
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