Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, January 23, 1998 11 AM PST.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,
Sysops: Jim Smith, Jonathan Paisley, Bill Gram-Reefer, Donald McHose, Ken Sutherland, Bob Nunn, mikael fredriksson
Jim Smith: <<joined the chat>>
Jonathan Paisley: <<joined the chat>>
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<joined the chat>>
Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>
Ken Sutherland: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: hola!
Rusty Tucker: in tech support right now, brb
Ken Sutherland: howdy
Rusty Tucker: A guy
Bill Gram-Reefer: am i the only one experiencing blinking arrow, red modem cursor and long delays?
Bill Gram-Reefer: forgot, spinning beach balls, to
Rusty Tucker: s reporting a problem where TF reports that the "listen is canceled" any time a call comes in
Ken Sutherland: nope
Jim Smith: No. slooooooow
Bill Gram-Reefer: rusty's new ISDN line from PacBell
Ken Sutherland: hehehe
Ken Sutherland: Rusty, how has the reaction to TF5.6 been?
Bill Gram-Reefer: Rusty, how is the PPP front coming with 5.6.2? I've noticed another glitch. As the "You've been Disconnected" message just stays there and seems to freeze up the system. But if I do a force quit it says its FileMaker Pro that quits and PPP just gets started by itself and redials the connection. So maybe Claris and FM Pro are not working so well with PPP as well?
Rusty Tucker: PPP is getting restarted by TF.
Rusty Tucker: Right, Apple did not "timeout" that message.
Bill Gram-Reefer: idiots
Rusty Tucker: Apparently its so important that it must be left on the screen even after PPP is restarted :)
Rusty Tucker: ditto with the "modem not responding" message
Bill Gram-Reefer: so is it possible that FM Pro is also do ing something undainty or was it just caught in the crossfire?
Rusty Tucker: I don't know -- could be
Rusty Tucker: There's 4 users downloading the demo right now
Rusty Tucker: So hang -on it could be a bit slow today
Ken Sutherland: back in a moment
Rusty Tucker: I need to get a mirror for the demo to off load the DL from my site
Bill Gram-Reefer: I'll pay special attention for that, too. So have you gotten on toward getting MailServer to restart too?
Ken Sutherland: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: I just need to re-link MS with the new comm lib and it will restart too
Bill Gram-Reefer: For those that missed the chat on Tuesday (cough) we discussed MacOS 8.1 upgrade.
Rusty Tucker: No problems out there with modem connections and TF Server?
Bill Gram-Reefer: I'm too afraid to install it
Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>
Ken Sutherland: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: 8.1?
Rusty Tucker: I've had no problems with HFS+ either. but you need to use back up instead of relying on recovery
Jim Smith: HFS+ ?
Rusty Tucker: yes
Rusty Tucker: "Sequoia" - it stores files in smaller block sizes freeing up a lot of wasted space
Ken Sutherland: great product
Bill Gram-Reefer: What about Jaz drive driver? If I do backup to Jaz drive from system 8.0 then reformat disk and install 8.1 with HFS+ will it recognize files from Jaz drive?
Rusty Tucker: i don't think so
Rusty Tucker: oh, yes
Bill Gram-Reefer: so what do you back up to?
Ken Sutherland: go on, give it a try
Rusty Tucker: you don't need to format as HFS+
Bill Gram-Reefer: Ken's pissed
Ken Sutherland: me, naw
Bill Gram-Reefer: i see steam, go ahead, tell 'em
Rusty Tucker: you can leave disks as HFS, i do that w/ my system disk
Rusty Tucker: a ZIP is just 100 MB, so it already has small block sizes
Rusty Tucker: Jaz would be big blocks
Ken Sutherland: what does Norton 3,5,3 fix
Bob Nunn: <<joined the chat>>
Ken Sutherland: hey bob
Bob Nunn: Hey sorry I am late. Been having connection troubles I guess.
Rusty Tucker: hola!
Rusty Tucker: See the Macintouch note on "MauiMail" ?
Rusty Tucker: Nice priming for the HDS Web Mail info next week :)
Bob Nunn: nope
Ken Sutherland: what did it say
Rusty Tucker: Something about Free Email services running on Mac OS8.1 and TF 5.6.... He left out HDS Web Mail :(
Rusty Tucker: but we'll fix that next week!
Ken Sutherland: it always happens
Rusty Tucker: The next TF demo ( today ) will have a 1 yr. expiration and include the HDS Web Mail demo
Rusty Tucker: Within that 1 yr. time, a user can preview it for 30 days
mikael fredriksson: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: and run TF for 3 hrs at a time during the 30 days
Ken Sutherland: 1 yr.
Rusty Tucker: what FS spec?
Ken Sutherland: ah
Rusty Tucker: After the 30 days are up, it won't run any more
Ken Sutherland: Rusty, did u get the feed online
Rusty Tucker: feed?
Ken Sutherland: nice lag
Rusty Tucker: Yep the pip is way overloaded right now with Demo downloading..
mikael fredriksson: RT: will SI be the only site to download the TF demo from?
Ken Sutherland: ISDN
Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Once i get the new one, I'd like to get a few mirrors setup
mikael fredriksson: Try to get the demo on Mac magazine CD's
Rusty Tucker: How is the HTML WebMail brochure coming Ken?
Donald McHose: test
Ken Sutherland: how may downloads of the demo have there been?
Bob Nunn: ..
Rusty Tucker: I think piURLPhysicalPath should really be just a partial path...
Rusty Tucker: About 100 this week just off the web site
mikael fredriksson: RT did you have problems with the SI bbs today?
Rusty Tucker: The ISDN connection has dropped 2x for short periods
Ken Sutherland: brochure
Rusty Tucker: And the routing seems a little flaky, but other than that the system has been running
Rusty Tucker: I've always been dropping in a full path name.
mikael fredriksson: ok
Ken Sutherland: ...
Ken Sutherland: i don't know about you but I'm getting a lag of around 2 1/2 minutes
Jonathan Paisley: gotta go...
Bill Gram-Reefer: the only people online are in this room, are we all downloading demos today?
mikael fredriksson: me too (sometimes)
Jonathan Paisley: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: The web site is busy
Donald McHose: Bob: R U going to post this session I have to run 4 the kids again ;-(
Donald McHose: Ken , me too.
Rusty Tucker: Somebody check a trace route to SI, maybe the routing sucks?
mikael fredriksson: RT do you need a file mirror (let me know)
Bob Nunn: Yes I will as soon as I get the logs. I will have time. Would you like to see the route I am traversing. I couldn't get it to answer in less than 10 pings
Bill Gram-Reefer: 1 3/3 0.092 0.103 0.118 207.21.104.144 oak-alg-gw17.ccnet.com
2 3/3 0.094 0.106 0.127 207.21.104.254 e1-oakland1.ncal.verio.net
3 2/3 0.120 0.132 0.144 207.21.100.13 h2-paix1.ncal.verio.net
4 2/2 0.100 0.135 0.170 207.21.100.34 h1-sc2.ncal.verio.net
5 2/2 0.123 0.145 0.167 207.20.7.5 fddi1-sc3.ncal.verio.net
6 2/2 0.119 0.165 0.212 204.247.122.102 h1-maewest1.ncal.verio.net
7 2/2 0.099 0.111 0.123 205.238.52.51 e0.mae-west.verio.net
8 2/2 0.144 0.153 0.162 198.32.136.15 mae-west.netcom.net
9 2/2 0.115 0.156 0.197 163.179.232.61 h4-0-12-scl-ca-gw3.netcom.net
10 2/2 0.140 0.142 0.144 163.179.232.82 h1-0-lax-ca-gw1.netcom.net
11 2/2 0.136 0.176 0.216 163.179.219.50 t3-1.irv-ca-gw1.netcom.net
12 2/2 0.130 0.156 0.182 163.179.21.83 irv-ca-pm42.netcom.net
13 2/2 0.571 0.841 1.112 199.35.3.1 router.spiderisland.com
14 2/2 1.030 1.126 1.223 199.35.3.19 spiderisland.com
Ken Sutherland: what do i use to test route
Bill Gram-Reefer: mactcpwatcher
Bill Gram-Reefer: or some such
Bob Nunn: It seems better right now. Perhaps I need to program my MacInTalk to take a breath every now and then he gets choked up reading routes. OT Tool
Bill Gram-Reefer: sorry
Ken Sutherland: i switched off speech
Bob Nunn: Mine goes to Atlanta first and has a couple of more steps
Rusty Tucker: the route seems ok
Bill Gram-Reefer: whew, that's a relief.
Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>
Bob Nunn: I had a couple of N/R's in mine.
Bill Gram-Reefer: I guess we just have top wait until Christmas to get 1 MB/sec DSL service from Microsoft and PacBell
Rusty Tucker: yeah right
mikael fredriksson: I have to go dialing in from a friends Mac...
mikael fredriksson: bye!
Ken Sutherland: 1 3/3 0.209 0.221 0.230 192.153.153.69 headroom.colloquium.co.uk
2 3/3 0.125 0.161 0.199 192.153.153.10 babel0.colloquium.co.uk
3 3/3 0.183 0.302 0.365 194.247.67.18
4 3/3 0.406 0.475 0.556 204.59.1.57 gip-lond-1-serial3-2.gip.net
5 3/3 0.251 0.337 0.421 204.59.2.196 gip-telehouse-2-fastethernet0-1.gip.net
6 3/3 0.362 0.405 0.457 204.59.137.13 gip-penn-2-serial3-1.gip.net
7 3/3 0.514 0.662 0.770 192.157.69.38 sprint-nap.netcom.net
8 3/3 0.403 0.537 0.711 163.179.232.218 h4-0-nwk-nj-gw1.netcom.net
9 1/3 0.530 0.530 0.530 163.179.232.141 h8-0-lax-ca-gw1.netcom.net
10 1/2 0.587 0.587 0.587 163.179.219.50 t3-1.irv-ca-gw1.netcom.net
11 1/2 0.536 0.536 0.536 163.179.21.83 irv-ca-pm42.netcom.net
12 2/2 1.422 2.100 2.779 199.35.3.1 router.spiderisland.com
13 1/2 1.011 1.011 1.011 199.35.3.19 spiderisland.com
mikael fredriksson: <<left the chat>>
Bill Gram-Reefer: so rusty, good timing on the 5.6 announcement me thinks. Everyone's nervous about *9's future looking for backup.
Rusty Tucker: Mayeb I think there is a news drought after MW too
Jim Smith: <traceroute: 199.35.3.19>
Hop Sent Received Seconds IP Address Name
1 YYY YYY 0.052 192.168.1.1 No host name found.
2 YYY YYY 0.049 206.25.246.43 coladlp1.scsn.net
3 YYY YYY 0.041 206.25.246.1 scsn-1.scsn.net
4 YYY YYY 0.21 206.222.98.89 columb-sc-1-a12-0-28.acsi.net
5 YYY YYY 0.15 206.222.97.10 tysons-va-1-a12-0.acsi.net
6 YYY YYY 0.14 192.41.177.210 fddi.mae-east.netcom.net
7 YYY YNY 0.30 163.179.220.181 h2-0-was-dc-gw1.netcom.net
8 YYY YYY 0.14 163.179.232.225 h4-0-nwk-nj-gw1.netcom.net
9 YYY YYY 0.37 163.179.232.141 h8-0-lax-ca-gw1.netcom.net
10 YYY YYY 0.24 163.179.219.50 t3-1.irv-ca-gw1.netcom.net
11 YYY YYY 0.27 163.179.21.83 irv-ca-pm42.netcom.net
12 YYY YYY 0.24 199.35.3.1 router.spiderisland.com
13 YY YY 0.35 199.35.3.19 spiderisland.com
Bill Gram-Reefer: nailed it
Rusty Tucker: Daryl at MauiMail is getting swamped now
Ken Sutherland: *9, is it having problems?
Bill Gram-Reefer: get those ad dollars
Bob Nunn: Reading your TeleFinder finds new life with 5.6 review in MacWeek!
Bill Gram-Reefer: Quarterdeck cut them loose
Rusty Tucker: He thinks he'll blow past the 32000 user ceiling in TeleFinder in 6 weeks!
Ken Sutherland: ouch, nice stress test site
Bill Gram-Reefer: his IP tube will warp before that
Rusty Tucker: probably...
Ken Sutherland: what is UDP
Rusty Tucker: Jonathan & Rusty,
Everything seems to be running fairly smoothly. My Machine froze last
night, which hasn't happened in a while. We are receiving HUGE amounts of
traffic today, due to mentions from MacinTouch.com and macosonly.com. The
TF 5.6.1 server and the HDS plug-in seems to be able to handle the many
sign-ups and traffic very well. C-NET seems to be interested in the service
as well.
I have made many updates to the Web Site last night, with more information
about the FREE email service. I sure wish the UserManager didn't have a
limit of 32000 accounts. At this rate I will be maxed out in less than 6
weeks! There MUST be a way around this!
Rusty Tucker: :)
Bill Gram-Reefer: so is there away around it?
Rusty Tucker: The way around it is to get a -bunch- more TeleFinder/HDS free mail sites up!
Ken Sutherland: wow
Ken Sutherland: well rusty, can you hack the 32000 limit in less than 6 weeks
Bill Gram-Reefer: send me a biz plan
Rusty Tucker: Like you say, his ISP will warp once he gets near using 32K users :)
Bill Gram-Reefer: probably get sued first
Rusty Tucker: niiiiiice
Rusty Tucker: I'd do it if I still had the T1
Rusty Tucker: We need to get AMUG to setup a free mail site too
Rusty Tucker: I don't know if Sunflower or MacConnect will be interested
Bob Nunn: Has AMUG put their TeleFinder Server back up?
Ken Sutherland: Jon and I am talking about the limit, we think we have a fix to get past the 32000
Bill Gram-Reefer: RT, I just purchased what I think is the first and only web site promotion software available on Mac www.sitepromoter..gonna check it out. It's supposed to register with 150 top site and then do stuff to push you up to top 10 percent
Rusty Tucker: cool!
Rusty Tucker: i heard something about that
Rusty Tucker: The limit is imposed by ListManager
Bill Gram-Reefer: they say having your site at top of lists is just as important as online advertising at best sites (like in your case MacinTouch, etc.)
Bill Gram-Reefer: It can do unlimited sites so I'm gonna beta test it and keep you posted.
Ken Sutherland: run more than 1 user manager, you will also need to run HFS+ for folder limit
Rusty Tucker: course if everybody uses it.... well ya know
Bill Gram-Reefer: that is test it on some of my user sites here
Bill Gram-Reefer: yeah, well raise the price..just like radio time if you sell out you're selling it too cheap.
Bill Gram-Reefer: anyone in the bay area Feb. 15 is welcome to come to our 10th wedding anniversary
Bill Gram-Reefer: just RSVP # so I can buy enough shrimp
Rusty Tucker: cool!
Bob Nunn: The tenth anniversary is Magnetic Media right. That's what I told my wife.
Jim Smith: Bill: My 35th will be the 14th Feb.:)
Bill Gram-Reefer: tin
Bill Gram-Reefer: valentine groom
Jim Smith: Lots of reminders..
Bill Gram-Reefer: we eloped and beat the valentine's day rush at Tahoe so it's actually the 13th
Bob Nunn: The 20th is CPU's. That's what I got her.
Bill Gram-Reefer: aluminum is modern alternative to tin
Bob Nunn: I think the 25th will be DVD?
Bill Gram-Reefer: seems you have to wait until the 50th to get bandwidth
Bob Nunn: Satellite Access for the 50th
Bill Gram-Reefer: make a list Bob, that'd be good for UseNet humor list
Jim Smith: I am giving her a new printer. heehee
Bill Gram-Reefer: that's just as bad as my giving Aileen a digital camera for Christmas
Rusty Tucker: I gotta run
Bob Nunn: I guess I had better run. Mr. Wang of Wang's Int. is standing outside my door. See ya next week. Will have the logs up as soon as I get them.
Bill Gram-Reefer: me too...bye guys
Bob Nunn: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: see ya
January 23, 1998
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