TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11 AM PST.
From Spider Island: Rusty
Sysops: Donald McHose,
Rusty Tucker : same here
Bob Nunn : Reworking my Web Site. Tried the tab thing but
don't like what I have so far.
Bob Nunn : It is forcing me to rethink how it is organized
though. It sorta grew without a plan.
Rusty Tucker : I'm not going to be able to make the Daytime
Tues. chats for a while -- so it looks like the Thursday PM chat will
be my primary chat time.
Rusty Tucker : Sounds good BN -- I need to do the same
Bob Nunn : Will be okay, I think most would show if everyone
was regular. Maybe even a few more. Just need to advertise.
Donald McHose joined the chat.
Rusty Tucker : Welcome to the chat Donald!
mikael fredriksson : RT I mailed you a sample picture from
the chart plugin going nuts....
Rusty Tucker : thx
Rusty Tucker : my chart plugin crashed today, are they pix
from my site?
mikael fredriksson : no from mine
Rusty Tucker : that looks fine, what's wrong with it?
Rusty Tucker : oh I c
mikael fredriksson : when I tried to restart the www server
in the menu it bombed
Rusty Tucker : the "forecast" merely extrapolates the hour to
date data to a full hour
Donald McHose : Hey there , Hi there , Ho there ! How's it
Donald McHose : You took down the cam sites.
Donald McHose : Boy is there a lag time today from here.30
seconds from send to post.
Donald McHose : More like a minute lag...hmmmm hell nuthins
Rusty Tucker : you must have had a lot of his in the first few
seconds of started up
mikael fredriksson : no this happens after a few days (have
seen it 2 times on my system )
Rusty Tucker : the tv's back online
Rusty Tucker : hmm -- I'll keep a eye on mine then too
mikael fredriksson : It happens after 7-8 days or around
10000 hits I think
Rusty Tucker : ok -- I'll try and simulate the total number of
Donald McHose : Boy talk about latent packets ;-)
Rusty Tucker : do you have a std log from your crash
mikael fredriksson : sorry no it was rebooted by a ADB
Rusty Tucker : Is the latest Windows client working well for
Bob Nunn : I haven't had anyone tell me they have tried it.
Will get some reports this week.
Rusty Tucker : Great - I'd like to make it part of the
shipping package as soon as possible.
Bob Nunn : I have two employees that have PCs at home and I
make them try it. They were just out with the holidays or they would
Rusty Tucker : :)
Rusty Tucker : crack that whip!
Donald McHose : Is the installer finished ? If so I'll grab
it in the AM early
Rusty Tucker : This version installs itself
Bob Nunn : Yep, I don't know why it is so hard to get people
to report on the thing. I see plenty who download it.
Donald McHose : great. its a done deal
Bob Nunn : I guess no news is good news to some extent. But
you really need them to thrash thru the menu's etc.
Rusty Tucker : They probably don't run into any problems, or
they're conditioned to have low expectations :)
Bob Nunn : Perhaps. Glad just to get it to run?? ;-)
Rusty Tucker : The one thing I fixed in this B2 was a
relatively obscure command.
Rusty Tucker : I'm always amazed with Windows S/w that runs
right out of the box
Rusty Tucker : too much stuff has too many dependencies on
obscure DLLs and so on
Rusty Tucker : Mikael, you should run my StartLog program to
recover more quickly from system crashes and it will grab a log
Rusty Tucker : reminds me that I should run it too! :)
mikael fredriksson : My system is auto rebooted and crash
detected by a HW dongle + program I used to use your program but it
sometimes got stuck in Macsbug...
mikael fredriksson : after a crash
Rusty Tucker : yes, you should use both the software and HW
mikael fredriksson : OK
Rusty Tucker : the software restarts the Mac Immediately,
instead of waiting for a time out.
Rusty Tucker : but as you know, sometimes is gets stuck in
Macsbugs, or the crash is so bad that Macsbugs can't reboot the Mac.
You need the fallback to the hardware solution in those cases.
Bob Nunn : Its a shame everyone can't have a PowerKey pro. It
restarts even if it thinks its going to get hung.
Rusty Tucker : What about Rebound? That's a cheaper solution
Rusty Tucker : I think its just the restart stuff, no power
mikael fredriksson : I use a MacCoach its from the
Netherlands around USD100
Bob Nunn : I think so too. The Power Restart stuff is what
does the work. The evil is of course it does it sometimes when it is
not hung. Your PI helps though.
Donald McHose : Is any body seeing any problems with any
server stuff( like memory-n-such ) with the latest release.I don't
want to be a liar Friday.Goin for $$...Still will cop a Rebound or
PowerKey pro though ;-)
Rusty Tucker : I still don't understand that one.. have you
talked to the Sophisticated Circuits guys about it?
Bob Nunn : Yep, It has been a long while. It is hard to
diagnose for them without duplicating the software etc. Since it is
so infrequent now I don't worry about it.
Rusty Tucker : I see. There's probably a weird timing
Rusty Tucker : like if a long search in File Maker causes the
PowerKey to miss a tickle or something.
Bob Nunn : I am sure of that now. I think perhaps the closer
we get to x the less problem will be.
Rusty Tucker : I think my PI sends multiple tickles per time
period, so even if a couple get missed you don't get a false
Bob Nunn : I have the timer set at max. I can make it happen
with Norton or Retro for example. Anything that hogs the processor
for a long time. Sucking news is most likely to kill me anymore.
Rusty Tucker : ahh
Bob Nunn : Since I have the groups smaller the only trouble I
have is if it misses a day or two. Other than that it finishes too
quick to cause trouble.
Rusty Tucker : what program hogs the CPU sucking news?
Rusty Tucker : NNTP Sucker?
Donald McHose : I have been studying Steve Jobs Q-Time
flicks.I have the moves down now ! I'll take Bobs last quote as a
clue on stability.
Bob Nunn : My backups are to hard drive and that makes retro
fast enough now. Lollipop. Jim Smiths program.
Bob Nunn : I haven't had to touch my machine for months now.
No hard hangs. I had a hard hang on Wang's this morning but that is
probably the first time in months. PowerKey failed to restart it. Had
to do it manually.
Rusty Tucker : he must have a spot where he forgot to call GNE
while waiting for something to happen.
Rusty Tucker : I have retro go to tape :( lots of hang time
Bob Nunn : Play them the HAL apple ad.
Bob Nunn : Have you seen the outpost.com commercials where
they fire gerbils thru the o in outpost?
Donald McHose : ;)
Rusty Tucker : no :) just the wolves attacking the band
Bob Nunn : The gerbils are definitely the best. They finally
make it and sirens go off.
Donald McHose : Latest humor going off here is a knock off on
a Harry Chapman called " Cat Food " a cat in the cradle " wav type
short.Heard it ?
Bob Nunn : I better run.. Send me the logs please and I will
watch for the announcement about the chats. Check out my web site the
next few. Should have it reorganized.
Rusty Tucker : will do
Bob Nunn left the chat.
Rusty Tucker : c-ya Bob Nunn
Donald McHose : Oh well catch ya'll
Rusty Tucker : Thurs.
Donald McHose left the chat.
Rusty Tucker : c-ya Donald McHose
mikael fredriksson : Any idea about the chart bug?
Rusty Tucker : no, I'll have to test it.
Rusty Tucker : I think I;ve used it under those circumstances
though ( > 10K hits > 7 days online )
mikael fredriksson : it was 7 days then the chart went
strange but only bombs when I try to restart www server in the TF
Rusty Tucker : ok
mikael fredriksson : We have to see next week on my system (7
Rusty Tucker : ok see ya
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